The Blogosphere Cross-Examination: Part 1 – Exhibit A

CANADIAN
HUMAN RIGHTS
TRIBUNAL
C A N A D A
TRIBUNAL CANADIEN
DES DROITS
DE LA PERSONNE
BETWEEN/ENTRE:
RICHARD WARMAN Complainant le plaignant
and/et
CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION
Commission la Commission
and/et
JESSICA BEAUMONT
Respondent l’intimée
BEFORE/DEVANT:
ATHANASIOS HADJIS THE CHAIRPERSON/
LE PRÉSIDENT
CAROL ANN HARTUNG REGISTRY OFFICER/
L’AGENTE DU GREFFE
FILE NO./NO CAUSE: T1106/8705
VOLUME: 2
LOCATION/ENDROIT: VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA
DATE: 2006/12/12
PAGES: 239 – 510

(Source)

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1 THE CHAIRPERSON: Which tab is this?

2 MR. WARMAN: The poem is from tab 17.

3 THE CHAIRPERSON: This one here?

4 MR. WARMAN: Yes. I see that there’s

5 big holes where the name should be.

6 THE CHAIRPERSON: I’m sorry, I’m a

7 little confused here. Tab 17, I have A.

8 MR. VIGNA: The layout, when you look

9 at it, it might seem different, but if you look at the

10 contents it’s pretty much the same.

11 THE CHAIRPERSON: Right.

12 MR. VIGNA: Perhaps, Mr. Warman, you

13 can explain it.

14 THE CHAIRPERSON: Yes, perhaps you

15 can explain it.

16 MR. WARMAN: Sure.

17 THE CHAIRPERSON: I do see that the

18 content is similar. It’s got the poem in it, but how

19 come the layout is different, as Mr. Vigna has

20 indicated?

21 MR. WARMAN: Sure. I will happily

22 explain.

23 The first one is a Commission

24 document. The second one is a document that was

25 printed off in my presence on Friday.

 

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1 THE CHAIRPERSON: So, the second

2 document was available on the Internet and printed off?

3 MR. WARMAN: Yes, on Friday.

4 THE CHAIRPERSON: On Friday.

5 MR. WARMAN: So, if it’s more

6 appropriate, we can withdraw the first one and simply

7 tender the second one.

8 THE CHAIRPERSON: I’m just wondering,

9 given the different layout, maybe it would be better to

10 keep both.

11 MR. WARMAN: Sure.

12 MR. VIGNA: I have no problem.

13 THE CHAIRPERSON: For the purposes of

14 the record. We were shown one document and you

15 testified on that.

16 MR. WARMAN: Yes.

17 THE CHAIRPERSON: Now you have the

18 second document and this one has been, according to

19 you, printed out. Is there any indication that you

20 printed it out you said yesterday?

21 MR. WARMAN: Friday.

22 THE CHAIRPERSON: You said Friday.

23 MR. WARMAN: Yes. There is no date

24 on it, but I can testify that it was printed off on

25 Friday.

 

242

1 THE CHAIRPERSON: It does refer to a

2 radio broadcast at the top, Friday, December 8th.

3 MR. WARMAN: Yes.

4 MR. VIGNA: We can keep both, Mr.

5 Chair.

6 THE CHAIRPERSON: I think it might be

7 better for the purposes of the record to keep both.

8 So, last Friday would mean December 8th.

9 MR. WARMAN: I believe it would be

10 December 8th.

11 REGISTRY OFFICER: Yes, it is the

12 8th. So, we are adding this to tab 17?

13 THE CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I think we

14 should add it to tab 17.

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273 

2 MR. FROMM: Could I direct your

3 attention to tab 17?

4 THE CHAIRPERSON: Perhaps you should

5 specify which of the two versions.

6 MR. FROMM: Yes. To the one we were

7 given yesterday, one of three, where it says across the

8 top, “Welcome, Jadewarr.” Do you see that, Mr. Warman?

9 MR. WARMAN: I do.

10 MR. FROMM: Can you explain what that

11 is, “Welcome, Jadewarr?

12 MR. WARMAN: It appears to be a name

13 that was logged in under.

14 MR. FROMM: By whom?

15 MR. WARMAN: I’m sorry, I don’t know.

16 MR. FROMM: Would that not have to

17 have been by you?

18 MR. WARMAN: No, it would not.

19 THE CHAIRPERSON: Because you

20 indicated earlier that this was not a copy that you had

21 printed out.

22 MR. WARMAN: That I produced, no.

23 The second copy is the one that I produced.

24 THE CHAIRPERSON: Does your name

25 appear on this one?

 

274

1 MR. WARMAN: The second copy was

2 printed off in my presence.

3 THE CHAIRPERSON: It was printed off.

4 MR. FROMM: Then who is Jadewarr?

5 MR. WARMAN: I’m sorry, it’s not my

6 document.

7 MR. FROMM: But it was produced in

8 your presence?

9 MR. WARMAN: No, the second document

10 I printed off.

11 MR. FROMM: The second document,

12 which is the clearer copy, says “Italy for Italians” at

13 the top. You can see that. Is that the one?

14 MR. WARMAN: It does, yes.

15 MR. FROMM: The other one, the one

16 that was given to us yesterday, which is much less

17 clear and says to Der Totenkopf, but at the top it says

18 “Welcome, Jadewarr…” you say that was printed off in

19 your presence?

20 MR. WARMAN: No, it was not.

21 MR. FROMM: It was not. Then what’s

22 the origin of it?

23 MR. WARMAN: I don’t know.

24 THE CHAIRPERSON: You don’t know now

25 but you mentioned earlier that it was from the

 

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1 Commission. That’s what I heard you say.

2 MR. WARMAN: It originates in the

3 broadest sense with the Commission.

4 THE CHAIRPERSON: So the Commission

5 had produced this photocopy?

6 MR. WARMAN: Yes, but in terms of its

7 specific origins, I have no idea.

8 MR. FROMM: Is it your testimony,

9 then, that it’s a Commission document?

10 MR. WARMAN: It originates with the

11 Commission. I do not know its providence.

12 MR. FROMM: In my submission, then,

13 it shouldn’t be an exhibit if we don’t know where it

14 came from.

15 MR. VIGNA: Mr. Chair, the document

16 that was produced this morning was produced by Mr.

17 Warman.

18 THE CHAIRPERSON: Right. It was my

19 suggestion that we keep it because there was some

20 testimony about that yesterday. I just wanted to keep

21 the record complete.

22 MR. FROMM: Then what we have been

23 given this morning is substantially different from the

24 copy we had yesterday. Yes, the text from Jessy

25 Destruction would appear to be the same.

 

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1 THE CHAIRPERSON: Yes.

2 MR. FROMM: Perhaps not even that.

3 The text we have this morning just says Jessy

4 Destruction. There is no logo. The logo that appears

5 on yesterday’s would seem to be a Swastika.

6 MR. WARMAN: It’s because it was

7 printed off on two different days.

8 THE CHAIRPERSON: Right, but you

9 yourself did not print off this page?

10 MR. WARMAN: No I did not. I should

11 be specific, not page 1 of 3, the first page there.

12 THE CHAIRPERSON: So it’s true you’ve

13 never seen this document yourself prior to it being

14 entered into —

15 MR. WARMAN: I’ve seen it as part of

16 the disclosure package that came from the Commission.

17 THE CHAIRPERSON: But not as a

18 document that you’re familiar with?

19 MR. WARMAN: This document, no. I’ve

20 seen the content of it. I’ve seen that website with

21 that material on it.

22 THE CHAIRPERSON: Do you want to have

23 it removed? Mr. Fromm wants to have it removed. Do

24 you have any objection to it being removed. Mr. Vigna?

25 MR. VIGNA: No.

 

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