10 thoughts on “Smackdown on Bill Maher, the Fool

  1. The Catholic view is that the book of Genesis is indeed true – in what it is essentially trying to communicate about creation. For example, there is a God. There was one man and one woman. There was a Fall from Grace. There is an explanation as to why we suffer and die on this earth, even though God is good. There are certain facts that are indeed historically true. However, we must be careful to understand the language used in communicating the story. It uses mythological language to communicate certain truths.

    For instance, the description of God taking a rib from Adam to create Eve. This is not to be taken literally. Rather, it is trying to communicate to us that Eve has the same human nature as Adam and she is his helpmate and companion (not a lesser creature). But it does so in flowerly, even romantic language.

    The sad thing about fools like Maher is that he presumes to tell his audience what the bible “means” when he is just as foolish as the people he pretends to mock. He necessarily takes a “one size fits all”, literal approach. Even a cursory reading of the bible will show any fair person that this is complete bunk.

    The difference between Catholics and Protestants is that Catholics have an Oral Tradition to draw upon to help us interpret the bible. In addition to this, science and reason are also drawn upon to arrive at the same truth. (That’s why the Church has always been the greatest patron of science, Galileo notwithstanding. A fair reading of scientific history – even to this very day will bear this out.)

    On the other hand, a protestant does not have the benefit of the Church’s oral tradition and teaching authority passed down from the beginning. He is left to interpret the bible as he sees fit. Some are literalists. Some are not.

    Faith and reason (science) are not placed in opposition to one another in the Catholic view. Rather they draw on the same source to arrive at the SAME truth. TRUE science points to a truth. But so does divine revelation (correctly interpreted). Sometimes their paths cross and, when they do, there is no contradiction. At other times, each have their own sphere that must be respected by the other.

  2. Was that the position of the catholic church from the beginning, when it first originated, or did it used to control and manipulate science, preaching that the earth is the center of the universe, etc… Aquinas taking from Aristotle and I guess the bible as well? And “SAVE GALILEO”, are you shitting me, do you want a list of all the people burned, tortured, suppressed, and otherwise denegrated at the hands of the catholic church?

    You can speak your theology as much as you want, I own the latest edition of the catechism of the catholic church. I know it’s not as extreme and vulgar as many of the other religious alternatives, but it still preaches natural law, and other discredited theological doctrines, at its best (not discredited by theologians, but by philosophers).

    Neither science nor religion speak eternal truths. The thing is that we are in the latest stage of a 15 billion year old universe. To say that we know anything to have been true forever, and that it will always be true is the greatest naivete spoken by man.

    Forget about that though, how about the old doctrine of papal infallibility, how about the dogma of the celibacy of priests, how about the doctrine that homosexuality is immoral, why can’t women become priests, why was the current pope once a member of the hitler youth, etc….????

    That you make catholicism out to be intelligible is the greatest crime, not Maher’s movie. His was a comedy, from what I can tell, you’re serious.

  3. “Liberalism is killing us”. Hitler would agree, and so would every member of the Nazi movement (or at least the vast majority). And that’s a fact. Before it was the third reich, it was the christian right.

    This blog is reprehensible. Liberalism is what brought about the free speech you seem to enjoy so much, is that killing you?

    People against gay marriage today are the same people who were against jewish people teaching in schools, and black people riding on buses. You should be ashamed of your ignorance. Democracy would be fine if it weren’t for people like you.

    Politically active, and politically ignorant. Is that what they chant at your church?

  4. What a great vid! I would love to be in that priest’s parish (and I’m a Protestant). He is a truly open-minded intellectual.

  5. Mr. Farzady:

    Natural Law has been discredited? News to me. It would also be news to most of the world’s philosophers.

    So the Christian right gave rise to Nazi Germany? Have you ever taken a European history course in your life?

    do you want a list of all the people burned, tortured, suppressed, and otherwise denegrated at the hands of the catholic church?

    Go right ahead, and make sure to include all 2000 years of Church history. Then make a list of all the people that have been killed, tortured, suppressed, and otherwise denegrated by atheistic regimes in the last 100 years. You’ll probably find the latter list to be about 10000x longer than the former.

    Leaving aside body counts, what exactly is your point? That people, even people who wish to do good, do bad? Is this your contribution to human knowledge? Christianity preaches a God who sees all and loves all, calling those who sin (even its name) to repentance. How about atheism? It claims to think highly of man and his reason, but the evidence of the last century’s atheistic regimes paint a drastically different picture.

    how about the dogma of the celibacy of priests, how about the doctrine that homosexuality is immoral

    You say you have a Catechism. Perhaps you should actually read it. Priestly celibacy is not a dogma, it is a practice. Homosexuality is not immoral, only homosexual acts.

    why was the current pope once a member of the hitler youth

    As a young teenager in ’40’s Germany, one would not have had much of a choice in the matter. Perhaps you should actually read Benedict’s account of that time in this life.

    To say that we know anything to have been true forever, and that it will always be true is the greatest naivete spoken by man.

    Really? So 6+1=7 is bound to change at some point? That would seriously mess up American football. Seriously, though, if there is nothing that is always true, then how can you claim that your words convey truth at this time or any other?

    People against gay marriage today are the same people who were against jewish people teaching in schools, and black people riding on buses.

    Really? Again, the evidence states otherwise. Christian clergy – both Catholic and Protestant – were at the forefront of the Civil Rights movement. This is not even remotely disputed. As to opposition to Jewish teachers in schools, I must admit I have no idea what you’re talking about. However, if you would like to discuss the trouble religious people have in gaining positions in universities, I’m sure British historian Paul Johnson would love to enlighten you:

    My old university, Oxford, which was founded by monks, friars and theologians nine centuries ago, was until recently regarded as a bastion of old-fashioned Christianity and, as such, was called “the house of lost causes.” Today a publicly expressed belief in Christianity is likely to lower your chance of landing a job at Oxford.

    Religion has become a handicap in university life, especially in certain subjects. In philosophy, for example, academics who hope for senior chairs keep mum about any faith they hold. God and promotion do not mix. And in all the sciences, young men and women with religious backgrounds are advised to jettison their Christian, Jewish or other religious baggage if they want to pursue careers in physics, chemistry or biology. The universal assumption seems to be that a belief in God fatally debars a scholar from acquiring scientific knowledge. In Britain the number of students concentrating in the sciences is on the decline, and the systematic discouragement of Christians and Jews in the science faculties will clearly increase that trend.

    I could go on pointing out your errors, but it appears you have a lot of reading to do.

  6. What’s an atheistic regime? There is no such thing.

    The idea that religion is not a good thing for an intellectual to have is just now gaining credence is past due.

    Words can convey truth some truth, but you cannot get at the core of the structure of the universe through words. The universe does not necessarily adhere to grammar. What is 6? The number six itself is relative.

    The pope and the hitler youth, I don’t know, he could have risked being killed to take a moral stance against it.

    Are those all the “errors” or are there any more?

  7. Creation is essentially true? Give me a break on that. The Catholic Church used to take it as literally true, but to stay believable they’ve changed their stance on the absurd issue of creation.

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