Pope Francis sends private message of Christian Unity

Rewind and watch from the beginning.

Lot of things to be troubled by in what is being said….and yet.  And yet….why do I feel that the Holy Spirit is working through it all for the Good and for Unity, despite our collective pathetic-ness?

The fact that everyone is uncomfortable is the first step.

I don’t pretend to get it or understand, and yet….children are not to understand everything.

5 thoughts on “Pope Francis sends private message of Christian Unity

  1. Kenneth Copeland Exposed!

    Kenneth Copeland has taught the following

    That we do not have a god in us but that we are a God.
    “You don’t have a God in you. You are one!” – The Force of Love audiotape

    That Adam was God manifest in the flesh.
    “God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself, and in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. . . . Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus. . . . Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh.”
    Following the Faith of Abraham I, side 1

    God is the greatest failure in the Universe
    “I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is….The biggest one is God….I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the Fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least–that’s a big loss, man. . .
    Praise-a-Thon program on TBN [April 1988]

    God lives on a mother planet
    “Heaven has a north and a south and an east and a west. Consequently, it must be a planet.”
    Spirit, Soul and Body I 1985 audiotape #01-0601, side 1

    “You don’t think earth was first, do you? Huh? Well, you don’t think that God made man in His image, and then made earth in some other image? There is not anything under this whole sun that’s new. Are you hearing what I’m saying? This is all a copy. It’s a copy of home. It’s a copy of the Mother Planet. Where God lives, He made a little one just like His and put us on it.”
    Following the Faith of Abraham I, 1989 audiotape #01-3001, side 1

    •The death of Jesus on the Cross did not pay the price for sins
    “It wasn’t the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin..anybody could do that”
    What Satan saw on the day of Pentecost
    “Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only” “When he said ‘It is finished’ on that cross, he was not speaking of the plan of redemption. The plan of redemption had just begun, there were still three days and three nights to be gone through.” “[Jesus] accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own Spirit, and at the moment that He did so, He cried ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’.” “He [Jesus] was down in that pit and there he suffered the punishment for three horrible days and nights for Adam’s treason… There is a new birth takes place in the very depths of the earth, when the command of God says ‘That’s enough, loose him and let him go’.”
    What Happened from the Cross to the Throne

    Jesus was raped by homosexual Roman soldiers everyway possible
    “Let me tell you something folks. Anybody in here that’s ever been sexually abused, listen to me right now. Listen to me very carefully. The bible’s very careful about the way it says these things. But down there in that dungeon, Romans, ungodly men, ungodly men, put him (Jesus) to every kind of abuse that you can think of. There is no sin that Jesus didn’t bare. There is no thing, there is no such thing as a sexual abuse on somebody that Jesus doesn’t know firsthand what it’s all about. He’s been where you are, I don’t care what you’ve been through, Jesus has been through it. And everything’s done to him that we we couldn’t even speak of.”
    The Resurrection Truth

    God and Adam are the same size
    God spoke Adam into existence in authority with words. These words struck Adam’s body in the face. His body and God were exactly the same size.”
    Holy Bible, Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition 1991, 45, emphasis in original

    God has no right to the earth at all, he needs an invitation
    “God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. . . . He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn’t come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He’s gonna have to be in agreement with a man here.”
    God’s Covenants With Man II 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1

    Adam looks the same as Jesus and God
    “[Adam] was the copy, looked just like [God]. If you stood Adam upside God, they look exactly alike. If you stood Jesus and Adam side by side, they would look and sound exactly alike.”
    Authority of the Believer IV 1987, audiotape #01-0304, side 1

    Other Teachings

    “Adam was made in the image of God. He was as much female as he was male. He was exactly like God. Then God separated him and removed the female part. Woman means ‘man with the womb.’ Eve had as much authority as Adam did as long as they stayed together.”
    Sensitivity of Heart KCP Publications, 1984, 23

    “He [Jesus] is suffering all that there is to suffer. There is no suffering left apart from Him. His emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing [hell]. And the Devil thinks he’s got Him destroyed.”
    Believer’s Voice of Victory” program [21 April 1991]. This message was originally delivered at the Full Gospel Motorcycle Rally Association 1990 Rally at Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas

    “That Word of the living God went down into that pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before.”
    The Price of it All,” Believer’s Voice of Victory 19, 9 [September 1991]:4

    “He [Jesus] was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles. . . .Jesus was born again–the firstborn from the dead the Word calls Him–and He whipped the devil in his own backyard. He took everything he had away from him. He took his keys and his authority away from him.” (Ibid., 4-6.)

    “As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word.”
    Our Covenant with God [Fort Worth, TX: KCP Publications, 1987], 32

    Links on Kenneth Copeland





  2. I agree with you John. Some troubling stuff, but some real potential. 

    Also, it kind of struck me how the group positioned itself for its united prayer in response to the Holy Father. Did you catch that? At minute 19, when they want to unite in one voice as a congregation, they all face in the same direction, even if it means having the pastor with “his back to the people”. They instinctively get it. That should give us cause to reflect on how our liturgies are celebrated

  3. From The Catechism of the Crisis in The Church:

    The rite of “baptism in the Spirit” was originally the distinctive mark of a Protestant sect called Pentecostalists. It is a laying on of hands for the purpose of giving a palpable “experience” of the Holy Spirit and participation of the charismatic gifts of the first Christians, especially speaking in tongues.
    What is the origin of this Pentecostal rite?
    Pentecostalism was born during the night of December 31, 1900 to January 1, 1901, in Topeka, Kansa. In the hope of regaining the charism of the Apostles (especially speaking in tongues), the Methodist pastor Charles Parham (1873-1929) laid hands on a girl named Agnes Ozman. She immediately began to speak an unknown language, which a Czech recognized the next day as his mother tongue. The experience continued on the following days, and Pastor Parham set out to preach is discovery. Arrested later on a morals charge (he was accused of sodomy), Pastor Parham was eclipsed by some of his disciples, like William Seymour (1873-1929).
    How did the new Pentecostal rite spread?
    The new ” Pentecostalists” were at first rejected even by the Protestants they were called “shakers” because of their own contortions or “rollers’ because some of them rolled on the ground during their services). They established their own chapels and organized themselves in very restricted groups. It was only during the 1930’s in Europe, and in the 1950’s in the United States, that their rite was taken outside of strictly Pentecostal churches to penetrate
    all Christian denominations. Pastor David du Plessis (1905-87_ was the main architect of the “ecumenical” propagation of the “baptism in the Spirit”. At the end of the twentieth century, there were about 100 million Pentecostalists worldwide.

    Are there precedents for the Pentecostal phenomenon?
    The rite properly called “baptism in the Spirit” is new, but heretical sects have regularly experienced analogous phenomena throughout history. At the end of the seventeenth century, a wave of illuminism shook the Protestant Camisards of the South of France:people claimed they felt the Holy Spirit, they spoke in tongues, and wept copiously. The same eccentricities occurred in 1731, at Paris, in the St- Medard Cemetery on the tomb pf a Jansenist deacon”frenetic convulsions gripped entire crowds, ecstasies, speaking in unknown languages, “prophecies” etc.
    How can this type of phenomena be explained?
    These strange phenomena can partly be explained by natural causes (uncontrolled nervousness, morbid psychic exaltation, hallucinations), but it is likely the devil often intervenes. The first sign of diabolical possession indicated by the traditional Ritual for exorcisms is the person speaking in languages never before studied.

    Can people who call on the name of Christ with such fervor really be manipulated by the devil?
    Our Lord Himself said: Beware of false prophets…Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of Heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father Who Is in Heaven, he shall enter the kingdom of Heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in thy name and cast out devils in thy name and done many miracles in Thy name? And then I will profess unto them: I never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity. (Mt.7:15-23).
    How did the Pentecostal rite penetrate into the Catholic Church?
    The Penetecostal rite of baptism in the Spirit was spread in the Catholic Church by so-called Catholic “charismatics.” The “Charismatic Renewal” can be defined as ” the Catholic branch of the Pentecostal current.”

    What is the origin of “Catholic” charismatism?
    “Catholic” charismatism was born in the United States in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on February 20, 1967, the day on which two Catholic students at Duquesne University received the laying on of hands in a prayer group led by a Protestant minister and began to speak in tongues. They then used the same rite to transmit to other Catholics the powers thus received. On February 18, 1972, an engineer returning to France from the United States transmitted the baptism in the Spirit to Pierre Goursat, who founded the Emmanuel Community (the main French charismatic community) in 1973.
    What was the effect of the Pentecostal rite on the first Catholic who received it?
    The laying on of hands produced the same effects in the Catholic students of Duquesne University as it did in Protestants. One of them recounted “I was so joyful that all I could do was laugh as I lay on the floo.” Another testified. “The sense of the prescence and love of God was so strong that I can remember staying sitting in the chapel for a half hour just laughi8ng out of joy over the love of God.” And a third:
    “When hands were laid upon me, immediately it felt as if my whole chest were trying to rise into my head. My lips started trembling, and my brain started turning
    flips. The I started grinning; I couldn’t help it.”
    What do these reactions show?
    These unseemly reactions reveal diabolical intervention. Whereas the Holy Ghost makes order and discretion reign, the evil spirit, even when disguised as an angel of light, generally betrays himself by some grotesquery.”
    Can the devil then inflame souls with the love of God?
    The devil cannot inflame souls with the love of God, but he can “give this impression” to those who desire too strongly to “feel” the action of grace.”
    The devil hath power to feign some false light or sounds, sweet smells in their noses, wonderful tastes in their mouths, and many quaint heats and burnings
    in their bodily breasts or in their bowel, in their backs and in their reins and in their members.
    And yet this fantasy they think that they have a restful contemplation of their God without any hindrance of vain thoughts; and surely so have they in a manner, for they be so filled with falsehood that vanity cannot disturb them. And why? Because he, that same fiend that would minister vain thoughts to them if they were in a good way-he, that same is the chief worker in this work. And know thou right well that he would not hinder himself. The thought of God will he not put from them, for fear that he should be held suspect.
    Are similar warnings to be found in the writings of the saints?
    St Vincent Ferrer, in his Treatise on the Spiritual Life, teaches
    The first remedy against the spiritual temptations which the devil plants in the hearts of many persons in these unhappy times, is to have no desire to procure by prayer, meditation, or any other good work, what are called revelations, or spiritual experiences, beyond what happens in the ordianry course of things; such a desire of things which surpass the common order can have no other root or foundation but pride, presumption, a vain curiosity in what regards the things of God, and, in short, and exceedingly weak faith. It is to punish this evil desire that God abandons the soul, and permits it to fall into the illusions and temptations of the devil, who seduces it, and represents to it false illusions and temptations of the devil, who seduces it and represents to it false visions and delusive revelations. Here we have the source of most of the spiritual temptations that prevail at the present time; temptations which the spirit of evil roots in the souls of those who may be called precursors of Antichrist…

    Does the Charismatic Renewal accomplish some good, bringing back to the practice of Catholicism a certain number of souls and nurturing the piety of others?
    The devil in his perspicacity knows how to lose a few to gain many.
    This is the teaching of Blessed Marie of the In carnation
    Ecstasies, visions, and revelations are not a sure argument for the presence or assistance of God in a soul. How many have we seen who have been deceived by these sorts of visions? Even though they were the cause of the conversion or even salvation of a few souls, it is nonetheless a strategy of the evil Spirit, who is content to lose a few to gain many.
    What advantage can the devil find in these displays
    of piety?
    Pentecostalism not only revived and revitalized a moribund Protestantism, which risked leaving the Catholic Church an open field, but today it is allowing him to progressively take hold of Latin America, the devil finds obvious advantages. Likewise. “Catholic”
    Charismatiism perpetuates within the bosom of the Church the errors that are destroying it.

    Isn’t the Charisamtic movement against the post-councilar desacralization of the Church?

    It is precisely because it reacts against certain excesses that the Charismatic movement attracts Catholic troubled by the crisis, but only to bring them round to the councilar errors!!! (in the same way that Pentecostalism brought back to Protestantism those who fled its excessive rigidity in droves).

    Can you provide an example?
    The Emmanuel Catholic Charismatic Community has reintroduced in many places adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, the Rosary, confession, etc. These “conservative” devotions have rallied very many disoriented Catholics . BUT this conservatism merely serves to conserve…the councilar novelties!!! Who would deny that the sentimental scenes that the Charismatics know how to stage so well are the principal crutch holding up the new liturgy.
    What is the link between Vatican 11 and the Charismatic movement?
    Vatican 11 is FULLY responsible for the introduction
    of the Pentecostal rite within Catholicism. Not only
    because John XX111 desired a “new Pentecost”, or because the Pentecostal pastor Daviud du Plessis-who had worked so effectively to infiltrate the “baptism in the spirit’ into all the Protestant confessions-was invited to the Council as an observer (he was influential in introducing severl passages on the chrism into the councilar documents) but it was especially the Vatican 11 decree on ecumenism, “Initatis Redintegratio “, that led the Catholics of Duquesne Universtiy to receive “the baptism in the Spirit”.
    How is this so?
    Speaking about the communities seperated from the Catholic Church the Decree Unitatis Redintegratio states that “the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as a means of salvation.” It also says that “whatever is wrought by the grace of the Holy Spirit in the hearts of our separated brethren can contribute to our own edification.” These passages convinced the Catholics of Duquesne University to ask Protestants for the impostion of hands on February 20, 1967.
    How does Charasmatism promote the errors of Vatican !!
    Like Vatican 11, the Charismatic movement contributes to the upholding of false ecumenism (Charismatism springs from ecumenism), to the confusion of the orders of nature and grace in every domain, to the weakening of the hierarchical authority willed by God, and to the forgetting of the ascetical side of the spiritual life.

    How does Charismatism contribute to confusing nature and grace?
    The disire to “feel” the action of grace (inherently intangible) is to expose onself to the danger of confusing faith and religious snetiment (as the modernists do), as well as divine inspiration and imagination, the theological virtue of hope and optimism, the life of grace and psycological well-being. Psychology, as it so happens, occupies an important place in Charismatic communities.
    What can be said in the last analysis about the rite of the baptism in the Spirit?
    The Charismatics themselves do not quite know how to explain this rite. It cannot be a sacrament since Jesus Christ institutes only seven. Thus they see it as a means of conversion, a reactivation of the sacraments of baptism and confirmation, or else a religious “experience”. But none of these explanations
    can account for the “efficacy” of a rite that seems to act of itself like a sacrament.

    Can the Baptism in the Spirit really be compared to a sacrament?
    By linking spiritual effects to a specific rite, the baptism in the spirit resembles the sacraments. BUT…
    the latter transmit grace that is NOT sensible (they leave us in the order of faith), while the other rite claims the action of God felt. Thus it can be defined as a carricature of a sacrament that transmits, not the grace of God, BUT a perceptible ILLUSION of this grace. We know the devil has the power to create this illusion in those who seek to experience physically the divine action.
    Should be Charismatics be considered as posses by the devil?
    Those who receive the baptism in the Spirit are not for that reason possessed by the devil, nor even necessarily guilty of mortal sin (because of a certain ignorance of what they are doing.) But thye open themselves nonetheless to a diabolical influence that establishes them in an illusion, risks falsifying their spiritual life and blinding them to the crisis in the Church AND to their own personal duty. Some give up the Christian life when years later, the mirages vanish.

    Should the healings and prodigies worked by Charismatics be attributed to the devil?
    The devil cannot work miracles strictly speaking (which manifest an absolute power over nature), but he can produce prodigies (which use the laws of nature ingeniously). Undeniable miracles are not to be found among the Charismatics. They themselves acknowledge that a good number of healings that happen during their gatherings do not last. Besides, these outpourings in unknown languages during some Charismatic meetings have been identified as blasphemies by people knowing the languages who happen to be present.
    One last thing Jesus said He came to “divide”. Nowhere is the term diversity used except in the modernist language that seeks to destroy what Jesus termed real Unity in Him and in HIs One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Fakse unity false “universalism” is the talk of progressive modernists seeking to distort confuse and yet again make people who are weak in their faith question it. Even try to justify that maybe they do not know. There is a time for true childllikness and it is not to be confused with the beginning o allowing the spirit cunning as it is always looking for a road in, to deceive and attempt to twist what Christ has already firmly taught and established in His Church for those who truly seek to know it.
    Problem is some people have lost the ability of grace to discern because of some reason maybe compromising.
    One of the greatest lies of the devil is the propaganda that the Church is always “evolving” The Catholic Church holds withi Herslef ALREADY all the deposit of Faith (unless She preaches a differnt Gospel than that which Christ has deemed Her to preach, then hard to beleive but Christ revealed to Lucia at Fatima that He would actually withhold grace.
    That is what has happened at the top when thre was a compromise and instead of making it right so the Church was once again depending on God alone to
    provide certain compromises were made regarding
    manna and with unsavory people. The sin of idolatry I imagine,God right then and there could very very well have said …If this is what you choose to do, then ALL else will suffer…AND… Until that is made right, EVERYTHING ELSE suffers and all creation groans. There is a cause and there is an effect.

    Lord Have Mercy, Hail Mary…Our Father…Glory Be…
    St. Joseph pray for us

  4. This is very disturbing. Tony Palmer says doctrine does not matter (lie). He says the Catholic church taught that salvation was by works (lie). He calls the Catholic church one more denomination (lie) – it is the Church founded by Christ. He mixes some truth with the lies to make it easier to swallow. I am so deeply disturbed that the Pope is going along with this heresy. If and when Christians will be united it will be through the power of the Holy Spirit, not Tony Palmer who arrogantly says he has the spirit of Elijah. The whole gathering, to me, smacks of ‘One world religion’. Mix everything together, no one has the fullness of Truth. We’re all brothers, aren’t we?

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