Our Moral High Horses

Below you will read a report by LifeSite News on D&P’s “Just Youth”, the youth Wing of the Canadian Catholic Organization for Development & Peace.  The report flushes out even more remarkable revelations on D&P’s reproductive romp to Nigeria that Socon or Bust reported on last monthLifeSite actually got one of the participants to talk about the trip, D&P’s work, and the abortion issue. The really notable thing that struck me in this interview was the fact that this participant was upset at the coverage and attention which D&P’s group-sponsored, pro-abortion pushing programs were attracting.

“Your organization now, indirectly, has taken funding away from these people,” she said.  “Is that worth it, on your little, like, no offense, on your little moral high-horse, is that worth it?”… there’s a lack of sexual education, because people are starving to death, because people have no money, because in Canada organizations like yourselves are stopping Development and Peace from funding these organizations.”

Aside from the substantial issues themselves, it is more than somewhat disturbing that a D&P supporter would be upset that the full extent of Development & Peace’s support for the pro-abort organizations should come into the light and in front of public scrutiny.   It is more than apparent that transparency and honesty are not valued commodities for the D&P propagandists. They would have just preferred to continue bilking Catholics for millions under cover of darkness and ignorance.  What is this participant afraid of? That Catholics won’t see it the same way as she does?  Obviously, the reports are indeed worth it…at least to millions of unborn children.

What is more offensive to you, dear reader, the fact that D&P is using your money to fund pro-abortion, pro-contraception groups, or the fact that they are upset that you now know about it and might actually cut their funding?  What honourable person or organization takes money under false pretenses and then becomes agitated when the complete truth is reported? 

That’s pretty sick, no?

If you are operating above board, why are you afraid of coming out into the light? 

One of my favourite passages from the bible is this one:  Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. – Eph.5:11

Expose them

And that’s exactly what we’re doing! And by God’s grace, we’ll keep going even to the highest offices of the Church. 

By the way, where is that D&P report that we were promised on this whole abortion fiasco? We’re near the end of May, and it should be out by now.  What’s the hold up? What’s going on? 

I suspect a whitewash, but I guarantee you, if this report doesn’t come clean and gut the whole corrupt organization, there’ll be hell to pay.

Quite literally.

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D&P Sent Canadian Young Adults to Work with Condom-Pushing, Population Control NGO in Nigeria

By Patrick B. Craine

May 21, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Canadian Catholic Organization for Development and Peace (D&P), the official development arm of the Canadian bishops, is not only funding numerous groups in Africa involved in promoting abortion and contraception, but has actually sent a contingent of Canadian young adults on a mission to work with a contraception-pushing organization. 

In July 2008, the youth wing of D&P, Just Youth, sent a group of six women on a “solidarity and training tour” to Nigeria, primarily to work with the organization Youth Adolescent Reflection and Action Centre (YARAC).  According to D&P’s ad for the tour, YARAC “has found innovative ways to engage youth in community building and democracy, particularly in linking sports and democracy, and theatre and democracy” (see http://youth.devp.org/pdf/YouthSolidarityTourNigeria.pdf).

According to YARAC’s website, however, their focus is not simply on building democracy.  Rather, their stated mission is to “empower young people through information sharing and transformative education about their reproductive rights and civic responsibilities.”  The evidence of YARAC’s pro-contraception activities, and D&P’s involvement with the organization, was first reported on by conservative activist and blogger John Pacheco at his SoCon blog (http://www.catholic-legate.com/).

In answering the question “What is YARAC?” the organization emphasizes their focus on reproductive education: “YARAC is the result of a workshop to conclude a three-year project with young adults and adolescents about their reproductive rights and behaviours in Plateau State, Nigeria.”  YARAC says that one of their organization’s values is to “recognise civic and reproductive rights of youths and adolescents.”  And one of their “specific activities” is to “develop and promote youth and adolescent friendly programmes,” including around the area of “basic reproductive health needs including HIV/AIDS awareness” (see YARAC’s ‘Full Organization Profile’, http://yaracnigeria.org/node/320).

YARAC describes something of their methods of reproductive education in a document on their website entitled ‘The Learning Process’:

“Whatever Health education activities you do, well chosen and properly used materials can help you do it better. For example, if you are teaching people about how the body works, a flipchart can make it easier to explain. If you are having a group discussion about sexuality, flashcards and games can help to stimulate discussion. If you are teaching people how to use a condom, they will learn better by touching real condoms and practicing putting them on a model, such as a bottle.” (See http://yaracnigeria.org/node/4).

According to a LifeSiteNews.com interview with one of the tour participants, who wishes to remain anonymous, the D&P group did not participate in any of YARAC’s programs related to population control.  “Unfortunately, being there for only 17 days, they didn’t have any of those things going on while we were there,” she said.  “We didn’t see any of that first-hand.  But I did read a lot of their publications and I know they [YARAC] do a lot of stuff on that kind of thing.  I think that’s actually one of their major components of their program.”

She informed LSN, however, that along with YARAC the D&P group did participate in the activities of World Population Day (WPD) 2008, which fell during their tour.  The theme of WPD 2008, the one the D&P group attended with YARAC, was ‘The Power of Planning.’  The WPD 2008 website decries the fact that “modern contraception remains out of reach for hundreds of millions of women, men and young people.” 

Explaining WPD, the D&P tour participant said, “The World Population Day celebrations was about gender equality, and human rights issues, and … sexual health issues, reproductive issues.  They want people to know that they have reproductive rights.”  According to the WPD website WPD 2008 aimed to “build awareness of the importance of family planning to a wide range of development issues.” (see the WPD website, http://www.unfpa.org/wpd/).

Interestingly, the D&P tour participant interviewed by LSN, who has volunteered with D&P for 5 years, admitted that she is hostile to the pro-life position. Responding to the reporter’s explanation as to how LSN’s investigations regarding life issues were helping people in the global South, she responded, “So what about women who are dying in back alleys?”  When the reporter explained that abortion is a fundamental moral issue, she responded, “Yeah, I’m not gonna debate that because I don’t think we need to do that.”

“Your organization now, indirectly, has taken funding away from these people,” she said.  “Is that worth it, on your little, like, no offense, on your little moral high-horse, is that worth it?”

She said she recognized that abortion, as the killing of “something that could be life,” is wrong, but also said that the issue of abortion is complicated.  “I would never want to get on the phone and debate the issues around abortion with you because I think that there’s always going to be issues around abortion.  Fundamentally and morally and all of those things, it’s always wrong to kill something that could be life. … But like, past that, I don’t think that’s what the issue is, about abortion. … I think it goes beyond that, … because there’s a lack of sexual education, because people are starving to death, because people have no money, because in Canada organizations like yourselves are stopping Development and Peace from funding these organizations.”

YARAC is straightforward and unapologetic about their support for a radical form of feminism as well as contraception.  Their website includes a plea for “all stakeholders … to begin to invest BY empowering the WOMEN AND GIRLS beyond the box of the kitchen by being a part of the 2008 International Womens day Celebration” (see http://www.yaracnigeria.org/node/338).  As LifeSiteNews.com has reported, International Women’s Day has become an annual push for radical feminism, including support for abortion and contraception (see ‘International Women’s Day,’ A Pro-Abortion Agenda in Disguise, http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2003/mar/03030702.html).

Further, in a document entitled ‘Implementation of Family Life and HIV/AIDS Education (FLHE) in Junior Public Secondary Schools in Plateau State’ (http://yaracnigeria.org/node/3), YARAC includes amongst their objectives to “increase information about contraceptive use” (see section ‘Monitoring and Evaluation’, fifth bullet point).  At the end of the same document, they indicate that they found in a recent survey of students affected by their work that “61.7% students now have a better understanding on the use of contraception.” Additionally, in the same document they speak favourably of the work of the United Nations Fund for Population Activities, which advocates for both contraception and abortion (http://www.unfpa.org/about/index.htm).

YARAC is not only pushing contraception, however, but is also opposed to what it calls “rigid” religious norms.  In D&P’s ad for their trip to Nigeria to work with YARAC, they quote YARAC’s director Dr. Tor Iorapu saying: “We try to engage with youth beyond the boxes of religion and ethnicity” (http://youth.devp.org/pdf/YouthSolidarityTourNigeria.pdf).  This statement, though seemingly ecumenical, is further explained by references to religion in the previously-quoted document on FLHE:

“Rigid cultural, religious norms or values; or failure to give reliable information is nothing but destroying the future of these young people especially with the HIV/AIDS pandemic. … Family Life and HIV/AIDS education for young people cannot be sacrificed to unchanging cultural or religious norms and values.” (see http://yaracnigeria.org/node/3, section ‘Development of Scheme of Work’, first paragraph).

The tour participant interviewed by LSN shared similar views, expressing displeasure over the spread of Christianity to Africa.  “If you look at Nigeria,” she said, “fifty percent is Muslim.  Muslim is not an African religion.  That’s come over from the Middle East, or wherever Muslim comes from.  And Christianity is not an African religion either, but 40% of the population is Christian.  There’s only ten percent that have their indigenous beliefs.  Ten percent.  That’s nothing, you know, in comparison.”

YARAC’s mission is far-reaching.  Through the support of Development and Peace and other partners, YARAC is aiming to implement so-called “reproductive education” throughout their state.  They have begun to work with the Ministry of Education in their state to implement sexual education in the schools (http://yaracnigeria.org/node/8).  In their document on ‘Implementation of Family Life and HIV/AIDS Education (FLHE) in Junior Public Secondary Schools in Plateau State’, YARAC lists the objectives of their FLHE project, which included to:

– “Increase and improve young people’s knowledge, attitudes and practices on sexuality and reproductive health and right issues through mainstreaming FLHE in over 217 public junior secondary schools”
– “Enhance the capacity of 434 teachers and 217 school administrators to implement the sexuality education curriculum through training by 2008”
– “Increase knowledge based of young people by 90% on contraceptive use, transmission of sexually related diseases (STDs and HIV/AIDS) through popular education” (see http://yaracnigeria.org/node/3, section on ‘The Need for FLHE’, first three bullet points).

D&P has developed a close partnership with YARAC since the Nigerian organization was established in 1999.  In D&P’s 2003-2006 report on their ‘Program of Support for Civil Society in Africa’, they listed YARAC as one of their seven partners in Nigeria.  Therein they describe YARAC’s activities as “training on issues of democracy, health, leadership development and constitutional rights; youth empowerment; counselling for parents and youth; civic education.” 

Despite the fact that YARAC is very clear about their emphasis on reproductive rights, in their description of the organization’s activities, D&P does not mention that emphasis (see http://www.devp.org/devpme/documents/eng/pdf/programafrica_eng.pdf, page 34).

Since the beginning of March LifeSiteNews.com has investigated approximately 20 different D&P partners, all of which are involved to some degree in promoting abortion and contraception, including actively distributing contraceptives and helping women obtain abortions. All of the articles by LSN on the issue can be found at: http://www.lifesitenews.com/features/DevelopmentPeace/

21 thoughts on “Our Moral High Horses

  1. What I find disturbing in your news is that you are using all means to destroy people’s life and reputation with your death ideology. You are ready to scalp everyone that do not agree with your law. There is no life and no respect for the person. What don’t you accept to start a dialogue with real “pro-life militants”. Jesus gave his life for us so that justice, love and peace prevail. He asked us to love one another.
    Are you ready to nail him and the poor people of the Global South to the Cross, once more ?

  2. Ginny, my dear, give it a rest.

    I sponsor 2 children from India and not, thank goodness, through D&P.

    I have great empathy for poor people. That’s why I put my money where my mouth is.

    You and your ilk, on the other hand, are cowards because you use the “poverty banner” to promote your sexual perversions while keeping the people you collect money from in the dark. Some of the groups funded are merely front groups for promoting this sexual imperialism and have nothing to do with poverty relief whatsoever.

    But then again, don’t let the facts get in your way.

    Poverty relief indeed.

    What do you think Jesus has to say about enabling murderous thugs?

    If you want to think about Jesus, think about His warning about necks and millstones.

  3. Ginny,

    I apologize for being blunt, but I’m afraid that you have a very distorted view of Christianity, much like the young person from YARAC interviewed by LSN.

    For you, Christianity appears to be little more than feeding the poor while wearing a T-shirt that says “Jesus loves us”.

    You forget that the Gospel has far-reaching implications. One of them is that unborn babies are not to be siphoned out of mommy’s tummy and thrown into the trash. And spouses are not supposed to use each other as sexual objects but rather give themselves fully to each other (without contraceptive barriers) during sexual intercourse.

    You have to be logical. If you embrace the Gospel, than you act accordingly. You have to be compassionate to everyone, not just to those of us that have made it out of the womb. That’s what distinguishes Christians from atheist humanists, which is what many D&P partners and staffers have become. Just look at how the YARAC person being interviewed actually DEPLORES the fact that THE Gospel was preached to Africans. Read:

    “If you look at Nigeria,” she said, “fifty percent is Muslim. Muslim is not an African religion. That’s come over from the Middle East, or wherever Muslim comes from. And Christianity is not an African religion either, but 40% of the population is Christian. There’s only ten percent that have their indigenous beliefs. Ten percent. That’s nothing, you know, in comparison.”

    You see, once people start acting like an atheist humanists, they eventually find that Christianity starts to get in their way. All those “moral high horses” impede them from doing whatever they want, like killing babies or using their spouse as a masturbation tool.

    So they keep wearing the Jesus T-shirt, but they have really thrown Jesus in the trash with the aborted babies because His Gospel just gets in the way of their “ministry”.

  4. Well…
    I have visited partners in the South and none of them are promoting abortion or homosexuality. They are promoting gender equality, just laws for everyone, democracy,….The ones who work on health and women issues will make sure women will have safe pregnancies before, during and after birth…. or will help prevent family violence which is also a cause of children’s deaths. If our partners in the Global South are doing the wrong things by helping people live with dignity. Empathy is not enough, we need to work in solidarity with the people of the South so that they won’t be victims of injustice, destruction of their homes, famine, illnesses, wars, killings….and then be forced to flee their countries. If our partners with our help are not accomplishing God’s plans. I am against abortion but there are also other issues in the promotion of life. As Christians, we are called to transform our hearts and our social structures, to renew the face of our earth so that people will live in dignity and peace.
    I find it difficult to have a dialogue with you guys since no one is right besides you. It is only a one sided view. Very sad ! I will pray for you and for me that the Catholic church will stay united in its ministry of love, life and compassion for all human kinds.
    I am opened to more constructive discussion.
    Peace,
    Ginny

  5. Other comments :
    Mr. Pacheco, it is very generous of you to sponsor Indian children as they need all the help to grow and become responsible adults contributing to the well being of the Indian society. One thing that I was wondering, have you ever met face to face the Indian poors ? Have you ever to their struggles, their hopes and their dreams ? If not in the Global South, right here in Canada ? I remember during my solidarity trip in the South, I witnessed a peaceful demonstration by native women. They were asking for health care, education, work and dignity for their children. Is it legitimate ? Do people of the South have the right to ask to be treated as human beings ?
    Mr. Steven, you are saying that Islam is not a native religion. Christianity is not either. You are affirming that Yarac is an atheist group working at killing babies. It is a very rude statement. Have you ever seen the documentary “The pastor and the Imam”. It takes place in Nigeria. It is about people working at their differences and promoting peace. I think that some of the goals of Yarac is working for reconciliation. Is it wrong ?
    One thing that this persecution of D&P is doing to me, is to send me back to the roots of Jesus teachings which convince me to continue to work for peace and justice.
    Take care

  6. Dr. Maria Crenshaw, asked 800 sexologists at the World Congress of Sexology, “If you had available the partner of your dreams, and knew that person carried the HIV virus would you rely on a condom for protection ?”

    Not a single person raised a hand !

    So she accused them all of giving irresponsible advice to youth.

    Condoms have an overal failure rate for preventing pregnancy of ten percent and even a higher rate in the prevention of AIDS transmission because the virus is so small. Researchers at the National Institutes of Health did high-powered X-ray examinations of latex surgical gloves similar to condom latex and found lots of holes 5 microns in diameter. The AIDS virus is 0.1 microns, and can pass through such so-called” protective ” latex without even touching the sides of the hole.

    Their are 47 African countries listed on the HIV and AIDS surveillance report and they combined have just slightly more cases than one North American Country the USA. The USA has the highest HIV and AIDS rate in the whole world. Why do you suppose that is?

  7. Dear Ginny,

    #1 – Most of the groups pushing for Gender Equity include “reproductive rights” – a euphemism for abortion and contraception. Do you deny this?

    #2 – Why doesn’t D&P report that it helps promote “reproductive rights” as part of their support for “gender equity” programs? What are you afraid of?

    #3 – Tell us why D&P wouldn’t be caught dead promoting groups who have politically incorrect views on racism or other verbotten topics, for instance, but have no problem helping groups who push abortion and contraception? What does that tell you about how serious D&P is about their claims about being Catholic?

    #4 – Why are D&P supporters so arrogant as to presume that if we don’t support D&P, we don’t support legitimate development and poverty relief?

    #5 – Tell us why you believe that supporting legitimate development must include funding groups whose primary mandate is to push for abortion, contraception, or the emasculation of men? Please be specific.

    #6 – Have you actually read the reports? The pictures, the interviews, the websites, the third party reports? What do you say about that? Just, kind of, irrelevant for you? Why don’t you address the indisputable fact that D&P is propping up and enabling pro-abort thugs? Does this not bother, even just a little?

  8. 1. In the value of D&P, promoting gender equity does not mean promoting abortion or contraception, as you said.
    3. I do not understand that question abou racism, etc…
    4. You have the right not to support D&P but you do not have the right to tarnish its reputation with wrong info.
    5. Supporting legitimate development is supporting people’s dreams and hopes for a better world for their children because these groups are supporting the next generation helping men, women and children to live with dignity. These people have dreams like you and me. Children are precious to them and a gift from God.
    6. I did read the reports and I am not even sure that some of the interviews were done properly. Pictures might have been taken anywhere.

  9. Ginny,
    You didn’t answer question #5. The question is very simple:

    We can help the poor through organizations that also promote abortion (like D&P does)

    OR

    We can help the poor through organizations that do not promote abortion.

    The question is: why must we pick the first option? Why does helping the poor necessarily have to include abortion?

  10. I am not sure what you are looking for.
    Why does helping the poors necessarily have to include abortion ? Would you choose that option ?
    I think that I have answered your question. Groups are not promoting abortion but life…a life with dignity, why shouldn’t people of the Global South have the right to live from the day of conception until their death ?

  11. >>1. In the value of D&P, promoting gender equity does not mean promoting abortion or contraception, as you said.

    + Then why are their partners doing it, some of them right on their own websites? Why did you not answer question #2?

    >> 3. I do not understand that question abou racism, etc…

    OK. Suppose one of D&P’s partners was supporting something as odious as racism. How long to do you think they would remain a partner of D&P once that fact was discovered? The answer, of course, is not very long. In other words, this excuse that D&P has about not supporting everything their partners’ engage in is completely bogus. If one of D&P’s partners were guilty of promoting racism, their funding would be cut. But since they’re only promoting abortion and contraception, that’s OK. I point this out simply to show you that D&P has its own moral code, quite apart from the teachings of the Catholic Church.

    >> 4. You have the right not to support D&P but you do not have the right to tarnish its reputation with wrong info.

    + Not only do I have a right, but I have an obligation to report the truth. And if the truth tarnishes D&P’s reputation, then so be it. But if I have reported something wrong, it is YOU that have an obligation to point it out. I’m not interested in general observations, I want specifics.

    >>5. Supporting legitimate development is supporting people’s dreams and hopes for a better world for their children because these groups are supporting the next generation helping men, women and children to live with dignity. These people have dreams like you and me. Children are precious to them and a gift from God.

    + Amen that is true. Please explain therefore why the laws that protect these precious children are being undermined by D&P’s partners?

    >>6. I did read the reports and I am not even sure that some of the interviews were done properly. Pictures might have been taken anywhere.

    Oh please, stop it. In the Nicaragua story I did, 2 of the eye witnesses were from Ottawa. One of these witnesses I know personally. We have their eye witness account. We have the pictures. We have the third party websites. We have LifeSite’s interview with one of the Centre’s reps on record both in print and in audio. How much more evidence do you want? You seem pretty desperate to deny something that is right in front of your nose. Don’t insult our intelligence by these absurd denials. There is not just one group there are well over 40 in 2 dozen countries in 3 continents.

  12. Why did you not answer question #2?
    Appears the same as the previous question. No need to answer.

    You say : But since they’re only promoting abortion and contraception, that’s OK. I point this out simply to show you that D&P has its own moral code, quite apart from the teachings of the Catholic Church.
    My answer : Wrong. D&P is not promoting these things. D&P is ethical and lives by the teachings of the Catholic Church.

    You say : In the Nicaragua story I did, 2 of the eye witnesses were from Ottawa….
    My answer : I would like to see these reports which I believe might be biaised. The pictures do not mean anything since they are taken at a public event where anybody can go.

    My question and you did not answer this one :
    Mr. Pacheco, it is very generous of you to sponsor Indian children as they need all the help to grow and become responsible adults contributing to the well being of the Indian society. One thing that I was wondering, have you ever met face to face the Indian poors ? Have you ever listened to their struggles, their hopes and their dreams ? If not in the Global South, right here in Canada ? I remember during my solidarity trip in the South, I witnessed a peaceful demonstration by native women. They were asking for health care, education, work and dignity for their children. Is it legitimate ? Do people of the South have the right to ask to be treated as human beings ?

    I would like to end by saying that we are both Catholic…therefore we are working for life. You are working so that unborn won’t be kill and that is great. I work so that these children and later, adults are recognized as human beings who worth our respect and our solidarity. D&P supports groups that have a solid reputation. We all need to take a good look at our actions and if required, make some adjustments so that life will flow. If we blocked life, we are not doing God’s work.

  13. >>My answer : Wrong. D&P is not promoting these things. D&P is ethical and lives by the teachings of the Catholic Church.

    + Do the teaching of the Catholic Church say it is OK to fund pro-abortion groups looking to overturn pro-life laws in the Global South? Is that what you are telling us? Because that’s exactly what D&P is doing.

    >>You say : In the Nicaragua story I did, 2 of the eye witnesses were from Ottawa….
    My answer : I would like to see these reports which I believe might be biaised. The pictures do not mean anything since they are taken at a public event where anybody can go.

    + There is no disputing this story. We have third party websites, two eye witness accounts, pictures, and the audio interview. Read these links:

    http://www.catholic-legate.com/?p=1596

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042403.html

    Here is the entire index page:

    http://www.catholic-legate.com/?p=1567

    >>My question and you did not answer this one :
    Mr. Pacheco, it is very generous of you to sponsor Indian children as they need all the help to grow and become responsible adults contributing to the well being of the Indian society. One thing that I was wondering, have you ever met face to face the Indian poors ? Have you ever listened to their struggles, their hopes and their dreams ? If not in the Global South, right here in Canada ? I remember during my solidarity trip in the South, I witnessed a peaceful demonstration by native women. They were asking for health care, education, work and dignity for their children. Is it legitimate ? Do people of the South have the right to ask to be treated as human beings ?

    + What has this got to do with supporting abortion and contraception? D&P would have no objection from us, if this is all that was going on. In fact, if this was all that was going on, you would have our praise and thanksgiving. But the truth is that many of the groups that D&P sponsors are heavily involved in pushing “reproductive rights” as the evidence makes clear. This is what you need to deal with. Support only groups that do what you say D&P is doing above. Don’t support groups who push for the killing of innocent human life.

    >>I would like to end by saying that we are both Catholic…therefore we are working for life. You are working so that unborn won’t be kill and that is great. I work so that these children and later, adults are recognized as human beings who worth our respect and our solidarity. D&P supports groups that have a solid reputation. We all need to take a good look at our actions and if required, make some adjustments so that life will flow. If we blocked life, we are not doing God’s work.

    No, you are not working for life. You are working for death, whether you acknowledge it or not. You need to deal with the facts. I’m not interested in opinions or goals or intentions. I’m in interested in the facts. And the facts are that D&P is supporting groups whose major aim is to kill and pervert human sexuality.

  14. Interesting…you are insisting that you want facts and no, opinion. Are you a lawyer or working in finances ? I have worked in the legal field for many years and left because some of their clients were in the pharmaceutical or security businesses. I did not feel comfortable representing clients that might have anything to do with war or drugs.

    Well. I do not know what else to say because you seem to have the answers for everything. In you bio, you say that you are always right. I cannot pretend that I have the truth as only God is and has the truth. I let him be the judge. I am pro-life and I work so that people will live in dignity from the day of conception until their death.

    I believe that you are going to far with your assumptions, saying that D&P is killing people and perverting human sexuality by supporting partners of the Global South. It is too bad that all Catholics cannot work together but what can I say.

  15. Another thing…. You have asked me to point you out when your info is incomplete.

    I have read the D&P “leak memo” that you are posting. You make it look like you got a special favour from an insider but it is not the case. I will tell you that this memo was sent to the members to keep them informed on the progress and says that the report will come in June. So let’s wait for the official report !

  16. >>Interesting…you are insisting that you want facts and no, opinion. Are you a lawyer or working in finances ? I have worked in the legal field for many years and left because some of their clients were in the pharmaceutical or security businesses. I did not feel comfortable representing clients that might have anything to do with war or drugs.

    + And yet you have no problem when D&P funds groups whose mandate it is to advocate for the war on the unborn. That’s very disturbing.

    Just curious too, Ginny, do you work for D&P?

    >>Well. I do not know what else to say because you seem to have the answers for everything. In you bio, you say that you are always right.

    + I do? Where does it say that? Please quote the line.

    >>I cannot pretend that I have the truth as only God is and has the truth. I let him be the judge.

    + You should read more of the Gospel and less of D&P literature, then. Jesus says: “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31-32)

    >>I am pro-life and I work so that people will live in dignity from the day of conception until their death.

    + If you were pro-life and would allow the facts and the truth of what D&P is doing impact your decisions, you would acknowledge that D&P is doing something scandalously wrong. But that does not seem to be a particular priority right now for you. I guess willful ignorance is bliss, but it does not make it any less sinful. Do not be deceived into thinking that those who work for D&P or support it, knowing its practices, will not be held to account one day.

    >>I believe that you are going to far with your assumptions,

    + Assumptions? I don’t work on assumptions. I work on the facts. If my facts are wrong, then point them out. If not, then why do you dispute with me? Deal with the truth. That’s all that I am asking.

    >>saying that D&P is killing people and perverting human sexuality by supporting partners of the Global South.

    + I said D&P was “killing people”? No. I didn’t say that. I have always been very careful with my language. I said that D&P was supporting groups who were promoting abortion. That’s true.

    >>It is too bad that all Catholics cannot work together but what can I say.

    You can say “Sorry, we messed up. We will reform our ways.” That’s what you can say.

    D&P and its management must truly convert to the Catholic faith in its teaching on upholding the sanctity of every human life. Then it must put its words into action and peel off the pro-abort thugs that it is immorally supporting with money donated by unknowing Catholics.

    The first scandal is the pro-abort groups it is supporting.

    The second scandal is keeping Catholics in the dark by not admitting to it.

  17. 1. Just curious too, Ginny, do you work for D&P?
    I am not a D&P employee. I work in the school system with children who do not have it easy whose parents rely on food banks and St-Vincent de Paul clothing stores, many have lost their work and some children live families where violence is a daily thing. It is very sad. That is why I am so touched by poverty and injustice issues. I can say that I admire the teachers who work in these schools for their patience, compassion and love of the children.

    2. In you bio, you say that you are always right. + I do? Where does it say that? Please quote the line.
    It is right at the top of your webpage, in the section “about us”.

    3. + I said D&P was “killing people”? No. I didn’t say that.
    You said : “And the facts are that D&P is supporting groups whose major aim is to kill and pervert human sexuality.”

  18. >>1. Just curious too, Ginny, do you work for D&P?
    I am not a D&P employee. I work in the school system with children who do not have it easy whose parents rely on food banks and St-Vincent de Paul clothing stores, many have lost their work and some children live families where violence is a daily thing. It is very sad. That is why I am so touched by poverty and injustice issues. I can say that I admire the teachers who work in these schools for their patience, compassion and love of the children.

    + One of the main problems of family breakdown and poverty in industrialized nations is because of sexual issues, most notably, contraception.

    2. In you bio, you say that you are always right. + I do? Where does it say that? Please quote the line.
    It is right at the top of your webpage, in the section “about us”.

    + “Right” is my political philosophy not my infallibility 🙂

    3. + I said D&P was “killing people”? No. I didn’t say that.
    You said : “And the facts are that D&P is supporting groups whose major aim is to kill and pervert human sexuality.”

    + Surely you can see the difference between your comment and mine.

  19. You say : One of the main problems of family breakdown and poverty in industrialized nations is because of sexual issues, most notably, contraception.

    Very strange….if a father or a mother cannot find a suitable job and lives in poverty, it is because of sexual issues ? There must be other reasons, don’t you think ?

  20. John said that sexual issues are “one of the main problems”, not the only problem.

    The fact is that most poor people live in single-parent homes, the result of divorce, infidelity or unintended pregnancy during pre-martial sex. All of these problems are sexual issues.

  21. You are partly right….
    In many poor families, both parents have to work in order to pay all the bills. In other cases, women will not get the same wages as men for the same type of works.
    I live in a diverse community where many of the families are single-parent homes. Yes, some of them were the result of divorces with various reasons such as family violence where women & children endured but one day said “enough” or widows with many children. Often the mothers have to work on shifts and the oldest has to stay with the younger ones. Not easy…

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