HRCs Losing Credibility Among Muslims

Response to recent human rights decisionsby Syed Soharwardy

When I initiated my complaint against Mr. Levant, I saw human rights commissions as a non-violent means of resolving differences among Canadians.

I was not aware of the controversies between the commissions and Canada’s faith communities. I am thinking specifically of my friend Fred Henry, the Roman Catholic bishop of Calgary.

Upon learning about the difficulties he and other faith communities have encountered with the commissions, I withdrew my complaint against Mr. Levant.

One of the reasons I chose Canada as my adopted homeland is because of our country’s great respect for religious freedom.

In Canada, I am free to be good Canadian and a good Muslim. There is no contradiction between the two.

In listening to the experiences of Bishop Henry and Pastor Boissoin, I realized how precious religious freedom is to our country and how easily freedom is lost.

Yes, I have often expressed concerns over Islamophobia.

Some of the portrayals of Muslims in the media have been painful – so much so, that I worried when I set out across Canada on the multifaith walk against violence.

However, the reaction from ordinary Canadians could not have been more hospitable. Canadians of all races, colours, religions, and ages have welcomed me, a Muslim man with brown skin, into their homes, their neighbourhoods and their communities.

They have walked with me, eaten with me and prayed with me.

They have expressed strong concern for preserving our civil liberties – which includes freedom of speech and religion.

They have also expressed a strong desire to end violence in Canada and around the world.

This experience has taught me that we can only end violence when we respect the freedom all Canadians.

There will always be pockets of Islamophobia in Canada, just like there are still pockets of anti-Semitism, racism and sexism.

However, I have learned that the best way to dispel misconceptions between our various cultures and communities is for us to meet face to face and learn from each other similarities and difference.

This can only be accomplished in a society that respects freedom of expression, freedom of religion and all of our other democratic freedoms.

This is a very encouraging sign, and it shows that true religious principles can be a huge bulkwork against the fascism that permeates the Human Rights Commissions.

We owe a great deal of gratitude to my good friend, Pete Vere, who has been dialoguing with Syed over the past several weeks.   The fruit of respectful dialogue can indeed yield good fruit.

8 thoughts on “HRCs Losing Credibility Among Muslims

  1. We believe Soharwardy at our own peril. The Koran permits lying to unbelievers.

    “There are, however, a few choice instances where lying is acceptable in Islam.

    The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: “Lying is not permitted except in three cases: a man speaking to his wife to make her happy; lying in times of war; and lying in order to reconcile between people.”

    Sumayyah Meehan as quoted in Jihad Watch.

  2. Some are calling this a “hudna.” Since hudna appears to mean “cease-fire,” I believe this is not hudna but taqqia, the form of deception (lying) that the Koran promotes…as Marvell explains above.

    I’m in total agreement with Marvell. You believe him if you want, but I’m not aware of any other religion that preaches lying. Maybe the solution is when talking to a Muslim respond in kind (with more taqqia).

    So, Syed, thank you for your kind words and for suddenly realizing how important our freedoms are. I just know we are all going to be the greatest of lifelong friends!

  3. In the Quran, Muslims are told in Sura 9:5, Fight and slay the infidels (non-Muslims) wherever you find them. In the Quran Muslims are told what to do to Arabs or anyone else who resists Islam in Sura 5:33, Their punishment is execution, or crucifixion, or cutting off of hands and feet, or exile. In Canada the HRC’s are not yet cutting off hands and feet because we don’t accept their worldview and religion, but what they are doing to citizens was once unthinkable.

  4. Hi Garry and Marvell
    I think it is time to address some oft repeated misinformation. Quoting a passage from any ancient book out of context can be a “clever” way to support one’s arguments – for nearly anything! However, somebody is eventually going to check your references. First of all, Garry, I don’t know where you found your Quran, but I just looked up Sura 5:33, and here is what I found:

    “The (selfish) soul of the other
    Led him to the murder
    Of his brother: he murdered
    Him, and became (himself)
    One of the lost ones.”

    This section of the Quran refers to the story of Cain and Abel (Qabil and Habil in Arabic). You might want to also look at verse 35 of the same Sura – to quote:

    “…if any one slew
    a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land –
    It would be as if
    He slew the whole people:
    And if anyone saved a life
    It would be as if he saved
    The life of the whole people…”

    The punishments you refer to are mentioned later on in reference to ancient laws against a severe form of treason. Ensuing verses also stress that these punishments need not be given if the offender repents. Note that during the same period these laws were followed in the Middle East, in England, treason was routinely punished by having the offender hanged, drawn and quartered. To the best of my knowledge, both regions have pretty much moved on to a different way of life.

    Sura 9:5 which you also think you quoted actually refers to violations of treaties during times of war. If you bother to read the whole Sura (in a decent translation or in Arabic), you will notice that it refers to codes of behaviour when Muslims were dealing with Pagans during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). Muslims were enjoined to behave honourably when the Pagans abided by the treaties that had been mutually set, but to fight back if it became apparent that the Pagans only saw the treaty as applying to Muslims and not to themselves.

    What you (and many others) are doing is akin to “quoting” Psalm 53:1 and declaring that the Bible says there is no God – hey, look it up! (I’d worry about anyone who wanted to use Numbers 31:17-1 as guidelines for wartime behaviour, too!)

    Marvell – The Quran most certainly does NOT declare that it is alright to lie as long as you are dealing with non-Muslims. On the contrary, there are many passages that condemn liars, hypocrites and deceivers (and sorry – no qualifying phrase that this only applies when you are dealing with people within your own faith – unless you manipulate various passages out of context.) I have noticed that many people like to brandish the term “Taqiyah” as though they understood Arabic. They actually haven’t a clue as to the meaning of this term. Arabic is a very complex language, but as far as I know, this term refers to lying in order to protect oneself from persecution (when one is in danger) – not lying just for the hell of it or to deliberately mislead others.

    I am probably wasting my time. I never met a bigot who did not consider himself the soul of objectivity, but I had to try.

  5. Muhammad’s son Zaid had married a beautiful woman. Muhammad asked Zaid to divorce his wife and give her to him. Zaid and his wife refused such an outrageous request.

    Faced with the refusal of Zaid and his wife to disolve their marriage, Muhammad had a “convenient” revalation from Allah , which not only commanded Zaid to give his wife to Muhammad, but also decreed that there was no evil in a father-in-law taking his daughter-in-law as away from his adopted son.

    Zaid and his wife were told that they did not have any cholce in the matter. They had to submit to the will of Allah. This is in the Quran in Sura chapter 33 verses 36-38.

    It is no wonder that this passage in the Quran has led many Arabs and other former Muslims to renounce Islam.

  6. Debating the Koran is a no win scenario. The Koran is at best, a big contradiction, the peaceful chapters are abrogated by the intolerant and hateful chapters. (like the verse of the sword) For every tolerant and peaceful verse you find, you will find one that demands hate, intolerance and violence. The Islamic holy book is designed to decieve.

    Something else that is a very significant difference about Islam and Christianity is that the Koran (in its entirety) is the word of Allah passed to ONE man through the Angel Gabriel. Mohammed was illiterate, his teachings were not recorded in book form until a hundred years or so after his death, by his followers. The important point here is – it all came from one man.

    For all intensive purposes this man was a 7th century war lord pedophile that physically murdered hundreds of men (with his own hands) and raped women as war booty. In his own words he came to power by way of the sword and violence.

    Christianity on the other hand is a compilation of teachings, writings and the words of God and Jesus. Essentially hundreds of people and sources went into the creation of the Bible. In his life, Christ killed no one, raped no one – furthermore he did not condone murder, violence or deceit. Christianity is about Peace, Love and Salvation. Islam is about conquering, submission and domination. No other religion in the world has a mandate to spread its agenda by whatever means necessary. Islam is a social political ideology, it is not a religion – at least not a religion like people in the west understand a religion to be.

    In my view it is pointless to try and debate the Koran with a Muslim. The Koran is designed to confuse and decieve. If you want to judge Islam. Judge Islam by what it does, not by what it says. Judge Islam by how Islamic countries treat non Muslims in the world today. Saudi Arabia and Iran would be a good place to start. Non Muslims have NO rights in these societies. (for that matter – Muslims have been killing Muslims since the beginnings of Islam)

    If Islam is so tolerant of others, why is there not even one church allowed to be built in Saudi Arabia – not one. It is not legal to show any symbol of Christianity in public – you will be arrested. Death penalty for adultery. Death penalty for apostates (leaving Islam as a religion). Social police that enforce dress codes among women. Arranged marriages. No rights for gays. No rights for women. No freedom of speech. No freedom of religion. I could go on and on and on.

    Talk is cheap. Islam needs to be judged by how it runs its Islamic states (countries) in the world. Not by what it says or proclaims in the Koran. Actions speak louder than words. The world needs to wake up to Islam. It is the only “religion” that has a mandate to spread its ideology around the world and impose itself on the entire world – by whatever means necessary. Islam is Sharia Law first and a religion of personal use second. It is by its very nature incompatible with western values and is hell bent on removing all of our freedoms.

    Freedom permits me to say what I have said here. If I did this in an Islamic country I would be killed. Muslims will eventually sell themselves out by their actions. The majority of people in the west are still somewhat asleep, but political correctness and ignorance can only carry the ball so far.

  7. In studying The so-called holy Quran and the Hadith one can not only learn about Islam , but also about the morality of the religion of “institutionalized atheism” or Darwinian Humanism in Canadian education, law and culture. See HUMANIST MANIFESTO. False religion and institutionalized Darwinian Humanism are both unhealthy and unjust for Canadian society. The father of modern education and signatory of the Humanist Manifesto wrote a book about the religion of Darwinian Humanism, 1934 Yale University Press, “A Common Faith.” Here is how the book ended,” Here are all the elements for a religious faith that shall not be confined to sect, class or race. Such a faith has always been implicitly the common faith of mankind. It remains to make it explicit and militant.” That is what they did. Just look at the consequences of this all around us now.

    Perhaps now Canadian Courts will start using the holy Quran to swear, ” so help me Allah”, or John Dewey’s book A COMMON FAITH to swear, “so help me Darwinian Humanism.” Institutionalized atheism has the same morality and is the new Canadian and Western Culture. The new character of Western Civilization. I hope we all decide to change this before its to late.

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