Chosen Child Fights for the Unborn

OTTAWA —The only time Ruth Lobo felt afraid during her arrest on the Carleton University campus last October, was when the Ottawa police slammed the doors of the paddy wagon and left her inside alone.

“I didn’t know what was happening and I couldn’t see my team,” the 23-year-old student said. Until that moment she had felt “righteous anger” when she and five others were handcuffed after a confrontation with university authorities.

Lobo and five other students were arrested Oct. 4 for trying to mount a controversial pro-life display on the Carleton University campus. They expected confrontation, but they did not expect Ottawa Police to cart them away.

“When things like that happen it really forces you to grow up,” she said.

It’s not only the arrest that has forced her to count the cost. Since then she and her fellow demonstrators have “experienced a lot of rejection from close friends and people in the Catholic community.”

People have told her they don’t like the images they use from the Genocide Awareness Project (GAP), which graphically compare the destruction of unborn children with recent genocides, including the Holocaust.

Lobo represents a new face of the pro-life movement in Canada. She is one of many young pro-life activists prepared to use tactics that make people uncomfortable. Lobo and her counterparts are influenced by the Calgary-based Canadian Centre for Bio-ethical Reform (CCBR), which created the GAP project.

“CCBR’s tactics have proven to be effective in saving babies and helping women,” Lobo said.

CCBR is training up a new movement of young pro-life leaders. “They set a new standard of what the pro-life movement looks like – it’s full of young, articulate, confident and intelligent young people who are not afraid and who have the ability to endure suffering.”

Her arrest took place almost 22 years to the day of her arrival in Canada as the newly-adopted baby daughter of Ottawa residents Ben and Maria Lobo, who already had three children of their own. They had felt led to adopt a child from their native India and prayed to receive this child into their devout family.

Lobo’s birth mother had sought shelter in a Bangalore convent that provided help for single mothers.

Last summer, working for CCBR and telling her story on city sidewalks to people confronted by the GAP imagery, Lobo realized how the pro-life cause gives meaning to her life as an adopted child. (Source)

Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed–  and a sword will pierce even your own soul–to the end that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed.” (Luke 2:34-35)

It isn’t Ruth that needs to grow up; it’s most of the Catholic hierarchy and professional Catholics in this country that do.  They reject the pictures because they do not really understand or accept the horror of what abortion is.  These wilting violets will be in for a big surprise at the Judgement when we must all face IN VIVID IMAGERY the horror of what our own personal sin has wrought in our lives.   Needless to say, our precious sensitivities are not going to be saved by the Government or Censorship U. then – that’s for sure.  So we had better get used to it in this life, and confront what we have permitted to happen to the most innocent and least of these.

From a Catholic perspective, this false sense of self righteous indignation at the “offensiveness” of these pictures needs to be thoroughly expunged from the pro-life movement.  Hell is pretty offensive too. Its images are eternally more grotesque. Oh, and did I mention that Hell was eternal as well?

If you’re a wilting violet reading this, you need to consult your own Faith and its tradition to understand that heaven does indeed give a damn where you end up and is willing to show you it – despite your precious sensitivities.  Our Lady showed the children Hell.  Funny how the Mother of God wasn’t too concerned about upsetting the children, in order to save them and the world from a much worse fate.

13 thoughts on “Chosen Child Fights for the Unborn

  1. Here is my belief on what is happening at Carleton University.

    Hypocrisy and Discrimination at Carleton University
    By Stephen J. Gray

    “Tolerance and respect are based on knowledge. Fear and distrust stem from ignorance.”
    Roseann O’Reilly Runte president of Carleton University [1]

    The words above from the president of Carleton University are surely very nice. But the arrest of pro-life Carleton Students at the behest of the university for daring to exercise their right to free speech and free expression surely makes a mockery of the words “tolerance” and “respect.” I believe the words hypocrisy and discrimination are more apt and should apply to what has happened at Carleton University….
    read full article at link below:
    http://graysinfo.blogspot.com/2010/11/hypocrisy-and-discrimination-at.html

  2. I have had one pro-life person who used to stand beside my in the stand for life tell me that my showing an aborted child on one side of my “I regret my abortion” sign is “condemning and judgmental. I also endure the frowns, and disapproving glances ,etc. when I walk down the aisle of a Church. I could care less. Sometimes the air is so cold,, it is frigid.

    Those in the Church who are trying to silence or refuse to look at the methods God is requiring we go to to save the lives of the unborn and everyone, may lament, as this world is going in the direction towards the disrespect of ALL life.

    This means when one is sick, or not “productive”, or ‘mentally and physically challenged”, someone will “take them where they don’t want to go”, and there will be noone to stop them.

    They may not approve of the fact I wear Silent No More buttons in Mass or elsewhere, because “they” don’t want to be reminded of what “they” have in their own hearts.

    This is not about making abortion”palatable” or sugarcoating it for those who don’t want to see the Truth. This is about showing Truth.

    I mean Truth with a capital T. If a Christian who claims to Pro-life has trouble with this, let him or her look into their own heart and see if they are seeking self-approval or attempting to change what God wants peope to see.

    Finally…let them look at the cross…then the pictures of the aborted, and ask themselves, just Who in the horror we, His Children, have allowed and continue to allow, or or not willing to look at, is depicted here in all the gruesome detail?. Can one not make the comparison…even in all the Blessed Innocence so brutally slaughered.?

  3. I take offense at being attacked by supposedly another faith filled author saying that I am a “wilting violet” because I do not support GAP.

    I do not support GAP because it is contrary to what our faith teaches. How can you show love to the people who don’t understand God’s love if all you do is sit with a picture that CONDEMNS them. You are not condemning them. It is the picture that is condemning them. It says “Look at what you have done!”

    Does this mean i think the imagery should be banned? No, of course not. But the graphicness is a terrible point of contact. It is only affective because it has a shock value. People who are passionate pro-choicers will come and attack you.

    The question you need to ask yourself is this: “Do the ends justify the means?” Did Jesus stone the men who tried to stone the adulterous woman? No, but he could have.

    Next time you want to attack a faith filled person on their disapproving stance on GAP, watch your words. I do not believe shocking people will bring in the most. What people need in todays society is to see true love. We need to show the suffering of post-abortive mothers. Yes the child is being persecuted, but showing the graphic images will push away more than it will bring in. There has to be other effective images that convey similar message without complete shock.

    We need to love these people. Not shock them, insult them, condemn them, and expect them to come out to us after being essentially abused by the imagery. If I were a mother who had an abortion, you would be the last people I would EVER talk to.

    Why in a culture of death, do we speak a language of death?

  4. You say that people who reject GAP are probably looking for some self-approval.

    I say to you that I highly doubt Jesus would use such a method. I turn the question back to YOU.

    Since when does violence get solved with violence? Just because you are being persecuted does not mean you need to sink to a level that brings out a very controversial, condemning, and violent response.

  5. Josh,

    What do you mean “violence with violence”? We’re the ones doing “violence”?

    Why are you prostituting the language like the pro-aborts do when they invoke the word “violence” – however far from reality it is – to denounce their pro-life opposition? They think doing “violence” to women is “forcing” her “to carry a fetus to term”? Please, don’t prostitute the language to further your argument. It doesn’t work.

    To put you straight, Josh, we’re not perpetrating the violence. We are SHOWING THE VIOLENCE so people wake up to the reality of what abortion is. There is a difference. Upsetting sensitivities and causing offence is not true violence. If it were, Jesus Himself would be the most violent man in the history of the world. You need to clue in to this small fact, before you start invoking Him to come to your defense.

    Every civil rights movement involves upsetting the status quo. We are not creating the violence but merely showing the public what happens within the walls of the buildings all around them. Why are you more upset at seeing the graphic nature of what happens inside one of those buildings than the actual act itself? Spend more time at directing your objections at the ACTUAL MURDERERS and those who enable them instead of those who expose them for what they are doing.

    Your appeals to Jesus also don’t work because #1 you have a skewed view of who Jesus is and #2 because Jesus was about the truth, despite the offence it caused all around him. Jesus offended the authorities and His people so much it got Him crucified. Showing the truth cannot be a sin — EVER.

    You also need to understand that Catholics and all Christians believe in the concept of a just war and those principles apply in this case, more so than they ever have in the past. Besides, St. Paul says to “expose the darkness”. And that’s what these brave students are doing.

    Read this for more understanding: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-march-for-the-victims-that-excludes-the-victims/

    One more thing…should Catholic Churches take down all crucifixes because a man nailed to a cross disturbes your sensitivities? Should we ban crucifixes in public too because of their graphic and “violent” nature – all because some atheist frowns?

    You are a young man who needs to clear up some muddled thinking about what it means to be a Christian. I hope this correction puts you on the right path.

  6. Pacheo,

    You forget a lot of things and completely skim over what I am saying.

    First of all, by having GAP as the first point of contact you violently attack and CONDEMN people. My point is that it should approached from love. It is easy to fall into the methods of accusing eachother of things, no matter what the truth is. I know they are murderers. But will I stand there and call them that? No. Why? Because it solves nothing except makes people angry. I want to help people heal. If you sit there and condemn first you do not heal. You push away. People who do not understand will only face the truth if you engage them properly. GAP fails at this. It makes Pro Choice supporters angry and all they then wish to do is slander you. How is this contributing to a healthy debate?

    I recall only 1 instance in the Bible where Jesus actually violently reacts. That once instance being the clearing of the temple. This is the argument a lot of pro GAP people have used against me. there is a big problem with it. The HOUSE OF GOD was being defiled. Jesus as GOD has authority to do what he did. We aren’t God, and i refuse to sit there and condemn someone for making an ignorant mistake. I want to help them heal. GAP fails at this. All other accounts of Jesus show him as compassionate and loving. Sure he was saying the truth that was very angering. But my point is did he attack others? No. He lovingly accepted them and explained.

    Showing the truth is never a sin. Your METHOD is. Do the ends justify the means? I’ve prayed about this, listened to both supporters and opposers of GAP. I can’t justify its effectiveness in my heart. If you are going to then insult me, slander me by calling me “young” or ignorant or a “crowd pleaser” then you need to step back and relook at the catholic teachings. Stop being so ignorant as to think that a violent and controversial image as the first point of contact is the only way to engage a society that is slipping away.

    “Spend more time at directing your objections at the ACTUAL MURDERERS and those who enable them instead of those who expose them for what they are doing.” The problem with your thinking is you’re so obsessed about getting justice. About seeking retribution. Again I point to the adulterous woman as my example. By their laws, the woman was to die. It was JUSTICE. But what did Jesus do? He stopped them. He saved the woman, showed her love, and she learned more than by being condemned.

    GAP is the easy method because it shocks people. But the Method is wrong. I am not “prostituting” pro-abort’s language. I am showing you the TRUTH of your method.

    Listen, if you want to use GAP go ahead. I don’t believe it should be censored. I just think it’s a crappy point of first contact. But don’t you dare, in your high minded opinion of your METHOD, think that I am a crowd pleasing, luke warm catholic. Our faith is struggling enough that we don’t need this to separate a group that needs to stay together. I’m explaining why I don’t approve of YOUR METHOD. My method can be just as effective, and to have such ignorant articles and comments thrown at me are hurtful, disrespectful, and very angering.

    My view is not based on pro-aborts views. Like i said earlier, I’ve prayed about it, thought it through, listened to Catholics who support and oppose it. I can’t accept it.

  7. What it means to be a Christian is to be real and to love. I don’t think you understand this clearly Pacheo, by your comments to me.

  8. You forget a lot of things and completely skim over what I am saying.

    I am not skimming over anything. I know exactly what you are saying. And I am telling you that you misinterpret our motives and you have a skewed view of compassion and justice.

    First of all, by having GAP as the first point of contact you violently attack and CONDEMN people.

    Non sense. You need to stop prostituting the language. We are hardly “violently attacking” people. Nor are we condemning anyone. You will not find one word of condemnation against women who have undergone abortion by these students. Not one.

    On the contrary, the reaction has been one of compassion and support. Women are just as much victims as the unborn. They experience a spiritual death. And these pictures seek to warn women who contemplate abortion about what they might do to themselves and to their babies. It also begins the process of inner repentance and healing.

    The condemnation is about the act. It is the ACT which condemns the unborn to death, and women to self hatred. Why do you assume these images are about making women feel guilty?

    My point is that it should approached from love. It is easy to fall into the methods of accusing each other of things, no matter what the truth is.

    Why do you believe that this approach is not based on love? Is it because it offends and jolts you? If that is your criterion for judging that something is not about love, then you have a very skewed view of such a sublime virtue. Love is about sacrifice and the truth. Once you understand what true love is about, then you might be able to appreciate the true love these students have for everyone.

    I know they are murderers. But will I stand there and call them that? No. Why? Because it solves nothing except makes people angry. I want to help people heal. If you sit there and condemn first you do not heal. You push away.

    No one is yelling. And no one is yelling any invective. If you have proof of that, then supply the evidence. Otherwise, stop making things up. People can’t heal if they refuse to confront and deal with their past – especially when it involves homicide.

    People who do not understand will only face the truth if you engage them properly. GAP fails at this.

    How do you know? Do you know the results of GAP? I very much doubt it, based on your response. You THINK that you know because you suspect that everyone thinks like you. GAP is very effective because it stimulates a debate that would otherwise not happen…and which needs to happen.

    It makes Pro Choice supporters angry and all they then wish to do is slander you. How is this contributing to a healthy debate?

    Jesus made the Pharisees very angry too. They also slandered him. Should we ask Jesus how His approach was contributing to a healthy debate? Josh, you can’t be too worried about making other people angry. Let them be angry. Let them get very angry. Maybe it will jolt them into debating a topic that they refuse to address.

    I recall only 1 instance in the Bible where Jesus actually violently reacts. That once instance being the clearing of the temple.

    Uh huh. And do you see any of the GAPers actually committing any physical violence? No? Then why bring up this example? In fact, why don’t you turn your attention to the physical acts of violence which are perpetrated against GAPers and their property? There’s a long and sordid history of that. But for some strange reason, I don’t see your violins playing for them.

    In fact, during our first 40 Days for Life prayer campaign here in Ottawa a couple of years ago, a young man was quietly praying with a simple sign which said “Pray to End Abortion”, and he got his teeth smashed in by a pro-abort. I guess, under your rubric, since we offended the man who did the smashing of teeth, we should all just go home, ’cause – gosh darn it, Josh – we’ve terribly offended a pro-abort! And as an added insult, we probably spilled some of our blood on the pro-abort too! The nerve!

    All I hear from you is an absurd understanding of “violence” which, for you, means upsetting people.

    This is the argument a lot of pro GAP people have used against me. there is a big problem with it. The HOUSE OF GOD was being defiled. Jesus as GOD has authority to do what he did. We aren’t God, and i refuse to sit there and condemn someone for making an ignorant mistake.

    St. Paul says that the human body is the TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own..” (1 Cor 6:19).

    What do you think abortion is, if not the ultimate defilement, of the place where the Holy Spirit resides? And what do you think the judgement will be against those who destroy it will be? The only thing you are doing by bringing up our Lord’s reaction to defiling the Temple is to justify what the students are doing!

    I want to help them heal. GAP fails at this. All other accounts of Jesus show him as compassionate and loving. Sure he was saying the truth that was very angering.

    Precisely.

    But my point is did he attack others? No. He lovingly accepted them and explained.

    Provide the evidence of the GAPers “attacking others”. What have they said or done to attack any person? What have they said that makes them lack compassion? Showing the truth of homicide does not count as a lack of compassion….any more than showing the crucifix to an atheist does, or the Mother of God showing the children of Fatima the terrors of Hell. And, really, how can you possibly know that this has not had a positive effect on women who have had abortions? The fact that you have not admitted this as a possibility only betrays your own convictions…because it has had a positive effect.

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/abortion-pictures-change-minds-and-heres-the-proof/

    Showing the truth is never a sin. Your METHOD is. Do the ends justify the means?

    You are begging the very question at hand. If showing the truth is never a sin, then you have necessarily admitted that the method is exempt from your criticism. Why? Because the METHOD is doing just that – showing the truth! God cannot contradict Himself. The truth cannot be a sin. And neither, therefore, can its exposition.

    I’ve prayed about this, listened to both supporters and opposers of GAP. I can’t justify its effectiveness in my heart. If you are going to then insult me, slander me by calling me “young” or ignorant or a “crowd pleaser” then you need to step back and relook at the catholic teachings. Stop being so ignorant as to think that a violent and controversial image as the first point of contact is the only way to engage a society that is slipping away.

    The crucifixion is a violent and controversial image to many. In fact, atheists are trying to remove simple crosses (not even crucifixes) all over the Western world as we speak. Should we acquiece to their sensitivities so as not to offend them with our beliefs? Or, how about this one. St. Paul exhorts us to “preach Christ CRUCIFIED” (1 Cor. 1:23). Do you know who Christ Crucified is today? Take a long hard look. My friend, you are far away from the mind of Christ.

    “Spend more time at directing your objections at the ACTUAL MURDERERS and those who enable them instead of those who expose them for what they are doing.” The problem with your thinking is you’re so obsessed about getting justice. About seeking retribution. Again I point to the adulterous woman as my example. By their laws, the woman was to die. It was JUSTICE. But what did Jesus do? He stopped them. He saved the woman, showed her love, and she learned more than by being condemned.

    Uh huh. And how exactly is this story relevant to us? Do we condemn any woman? No. Do we seek “justice” for her crime? No. Do we help her with healing? Yes. Do we care for her immortal soul? Yes. Do we want to see the unbearable guilt she feels lifted off her shoulders? Yes. Do we want to prevent other women from experiencing this terrible act? Yes. Jesus did not condemn the woman, but nor was He a fool for sin. “Go and sin no more.” And yet, as St. Paul says,

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor.6: 9-10)

    GAP is the easy method because it shocks people. But the Method is wrong. I am not “prostituting” pro-abort’s language. I am showing you the TRUTH of your method. Listen, if you want to use GAP go ahead. I don’t believe it should be censored. I just think it’s a crappy point of first contact. But don’t you dare, in your high minded opinion of your METHOD, think that I am a crowd pleasing, luke warm catholic.Our faith is struggling enough that we don’t need this to separate a group that needs to stay together. I’m explaining why I don’t approve of YOUR METHOD. My method can be just as effective, and to have such ignorant articles and comments thrown at me are hurtful, disrespectful, and very angering. My view is not based on pro-aborts views. Like i said earlier, I’ve prayed about it, thought it through, listened to Catholics who support and oppose it. I can’t accept it.

    Then don’t accept it. There were many who turned against Christ too, because they couldn’t accept His hard teaching. He angered a lot of people – not for anger as its own end – but because it represented the HOLY TRUTH. We preach the Gospel in and of season. We have compassion for individuals who have been made victims of abortion, but for the act itself, we have no compassion and we give no quarter.

  9. What it means to be a Christian is to be real and to love. I don’t think you understand this clearly Pacheo, by your comments to me.

    Well, that’s unfortunate for both of us, Josh, but not very surprising, since we have different ideas of what true love is.

    Love sometimes endures causing offence. I don’t erect facile and illusionary boundaries around love and pretend that stepping over them some how destroys its meaning.

  10. Pacheo,

    THis will be my last post, as my point is not being read properly.

    GAP is a violent reaction to abortion. Did I say that the people condemn them? No I don’t think so.

    Imagine this:

    You are a post-abortion mother walking on a university campus. You already suffer from some depression, maybe even guilt due to your actions. You see these massive signs displaying horrifying images. Will you want to go near these people? The images condemn you! They call you a murderer, a nazi, etc etc.

    My point, which you miss entirely twice now, is that the IMAGE itself attacks them. It attacks their principle. A woman described as above is effectively pushed away. Now if you had an image of the suffering they endure, you’ve related to her. She may as for your help. And look, now you can educate her!

    You say GAP enables debates that never happened before. Well I don’t think you engage in much debate. You engage in a fruitless arguing with a pro choice person who isn’t interested in hearing you. Want proof? Look at Carleton Life Line’s videos.

    “Then don’t accept it. There were many who turned against Christ too, because they couldn’t accept His hard teaching. He angered a lot of people – not for anger as its own end – but because it represented the HOLY TRUTH”

    Again you miss a lot of what I say. Your METHOD is wrong, not your TRUTH. And comparing me to people who rejected Christ’s teaching is a prime example of what GAP does to people. It pushes them away. You’re taking a “with us or against us” mentality with your fellow Christians!!! How ignorant and arrogant is this? I clearly stated GAP is NOT the only way. As such you’re creating divisions within the Church whom you want support from. I think there are more effective methods, that carry the same weight, without being so condemnatory. We can present the realities and truth, I’m not against this. But for the POINT OF FIRST CONTACT. the imagery used pushses away or creates an unhealthy environment in which to debate.

    You would be shocked at the people I meet everyday who will glady engage in discussion over abortion with me simply because I don’t send a condemnatory image right away at them. I’ve been told this as well. By talking first about my defense for pro-life,. they understand properly my view, and i can then show them the horrible atrocity which abortion is in all its ugliness.

    Again my biggest issue, above GAP, are the people such as yourself trying to hold the rest of us passionate catholics and pro-lifers at gun point. Stop it. Because your way is not the only way, and in my opinion is not the effective way.

  11. And I encourage you to look at St. Paul’s famous lines on Love. While you may indeed actually get some great discussions from people, how many more walk past, feeling all the more condemned or attacked because of their mistakes.

  12. THis will be my last post, as my point is not being read properly.

    I assure you. I am reading you properly.

    GAP is a violent reaction to abortion. Did I say that the people condemn them? No I don’t think so.

    Then you need to re-educate yourself on what “violence” truly is. Stop labelling the method as “violent” when it is reporting on what true violence is. Your objection is not against “violence” but against “shock” and people feeling upset. Are those images offensive and disturbing? Yes. Do they address an area of the abortion debate that is seldom discussed? Yes, absolutely. In a conventional just war, righteous men kill. Killing is never a good thing, but sometimes it must be done to stop a heinous evil. If we can justify TRUE violence to stop a great evil (and we can under Catholic theology), then you have absolutely no basis at all for rejecting this approach outright. None whatsoever. And that’s the truth. I’m telling you this without prejudice: you have no theological basis for rejecting the approach.

    You are a post-abortion mother walking on a university campus. You already suffer from some depression, maybe even guilt due to your actions. You see these massive signs displaying horrifying images. Will you want to go near these people? The images condemn you! They call you a murderer, a nazi, etc etc.

    We can play the “imagine” game all night. Imagine a girl about to have an abortion who sees those pictures and changes her mind. You’ve saved a life. Imagine the neutral bystander who isn’t as sensitive as you are and is convicted by those pictures because of the truth of what an abortion really is and therefore reconsiders his position. Imagine the girl you cited above who finally moves to seeking counselling after seeing those pictures. Imagine the typical pro-abort Catholic who changes their mind…

    … “I have been a pro abortion catholic… After seeing the pictures of what it exactly was, I nearly cried thinking I supported this awful murder. I ask Jesus my Christ to forgive my past way of thinking. I finally ‘get it.’ This is pure murder. I pray that more people will get to know what it is they are supporting.” (Source: http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/abortion-pictures-change-minds-and-heres-the-proof/)

    We can imagine the world away the whole night if you like….but the fact is causing offense is no excuse for suppressing the truth. That is not a Christian virtue. And Christian tradition and the valiant pro-life leadership is on OUR SIDE not yours. Fr. Frank Pavone, the most prominent priest in the abortion wars in the whole world and the National Director of Priests for Life has a very different opinion than you on this matter…and he should know because he sees the results. I trust a man with his experience and perspective and holiness far more than I do yours.

    My point, which you miss entirely twice now, is that the IMAGE itself attacks them. It attacks their principle. A woman described as above is effectively pushed away. Now if you had an image of the suffering they endure, you’ve related to her. She may as for your help. And look, now you can educate her!

    I see. The image attacks them? The image of what it represents is WHAT HAS BEEN ATTACKED. People need to know and see what precisely is being attacked. Most people have no clue of what an abortion does to the unborn baby because they have been lied to. Just exactly how do you counter such a message? Do you want to explain the dismembered body parts to them over a cup of coffee? You simply have no real way of getting that message out effectively, quickly, and publicly other than by just showing the pictures. Furthermore, you have little appreciation of how past civil rights campaigns have been won using “victimology”.

    You say GAP enables debates that never happened before. Well I don’t think you engage in much debate. You engage in a fruitless arguing with a pro choice person who isn’t interested in hearing you. Want proof? Look at Carleton Life Line’s videos.

    I see. So now you can read people’s minds? Sometimes, it takes a little time for the fruit to grow. Or perhaps, you were expecting mass conversions on tape?

    Again you miss a lot of what I say. Your METHOD is wrong, not your TRUTH.

    The Truth is communicated BY THE METHOD.

    And comparing me to people who rejected Christ’s teaching is a prime example of what GAP does to people. It pushes them away. You’re taking a “with us or against us” mentality with your fellow Christians!!! How ignorant and arrogant is this?

    I am not comparing you with people who rejected Christ. I was merely pointing out that there are difficult teachings and approaches that not everyone can accept. I am not particularly interested if you accept it or not.

    I clearly stated GAP is NOT the only way. As such you’re creating divisions within the Church whom you want support from. I think there are more effective methods, that carry the same weight, without being so condemnatory. We can present the realities and truth, I’m not against this. But for the POINT OF FIRST CONTACT. the imagery used pushses away or creates an unhealthy environment in which to debate.

    Hold up. I never said that GAP was THE ONLY WAY. But it is ONE WAY among many. I’ve been involved in pro-life activism most of my adult life. I do not accept being pigeon-holed into thinking there is only “one way”. I do not believe this. I don’t understand why you think I or even everyone else on this side does.

    You would be shocked at the people I meet everyday who will glady engage in discussion over abortion with me simply because I don’t send a condemnatory image right away at them. I’ve been told this as well. By talking first about my defense for pro-life,. they understand properly my view, and i can then show them the horrible atrocity which abortion is in all its ugliness.

    Good for you. But I am not the one complaining about YOUR approach. Different approaches work in different settings. It’s not a one-size-fits-all approach.

    Again my biggest issue, above GAP, are the people such as yourself trying to hold the rest of us passionate catholics and pro-lifers at gun point. Stop it. Because your way is not the only way, and in my opinion is not the effective way.

    I don’t believe I own a gun. Nor do I believe I have pointed my imaginary gun at you. Maybe it’s just part of the imaginary violence you keep pulling out of your holster. Believe me, I am not asking you to be part of this movement. If you feel in good conscience that you can’t do it and you would rather try other more conventional approaches, God bless you, please go ahead and do so.

    My beef is with people who seek to put obstacles up to its promotion – both inside the pro-life movement or outside of it.

    Outside of the pro-life movement, it’s an attack on free expression and a fascistic reaction.

    Inside the pro-life movement, its rejection is based on muddled thinking, false compassion, and/or a refusal to acknowlege that we are in the greatest war ever foisted on mankind. In a real war, Josh, people get hurt.

  13. And I encourage you to look at St. Paul’s famous lines on Love. While you may indeed actually get some great discussions from people, how many more walk past, feeling all the more condemned or attacked because of their mistakes.

    These people feel the same thing whenever they see the word “Catholic” or see a Catholic priest with a collar. Should we bury ourselves because they have a skewed understanding of what Christianity is about or that we bear the Gospel?

    Jesus said to “repent”. Today, if you were to say that to many, they would be offended – including many who have had abortions. For every one person involved in abortion who feels remorse, there is another who just as soon as give you the finger. But that does not take away our duty. Because in repentance, there is healing, but without repentance there is no healing and no forgiveness either. Those pictures could be the greatest act of mercy these people get to jolt them out of their delusions that what they have done was very wrong.

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