I understand that
the claims of the Roman Church to be "the Mother and
Mistress of all churches" (to quote the Council of Trent) is
based on the claim that Peter was the Founder or cofounder of the
Church of Rome and her first Bishop. If Peter never was Bishop of
Rome, the claims of those who posture as Peter's successors in
the See of Rome must also be fraudulent.
No, it isn't.
There are some traditions which indicate that at St. Peter
founded the See at Rome, but this is immaterial to Papal Claims.
The reason why the Church at Rome was (and is) the central See of
Christendom was because St. Peter was martyred there while acting
as the head of the Universal Church. His office was therefore
assumed by his chosen successor St. Linus who had been working
with him. Your heirs are generally the people with whom you are
living when you die. St. Peter was A bishop of Rome in the First
Century and definitely THE ranking bishop anywhere he went in
Christendom. Tradition in East and West is clear on this. There
are no alternative traditions.
Peter's usual
residence during apostolic times was Jerusalem.
So what? He moved
away later. In fact my Lord and Savior prophesied about this:
And if any one
will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the
dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I
say to you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment
for the land of Sodom and Gomor'rah than for that town.
(Matt. 10:14-15)
Jerusalem had
rejected Christ and his followers. They had been arrested,
stoned, flogged and expelled from synagogues. St. Peter himself
was arrested and marked for death by Herod. He only escaped with
divine assistance (Acts 12:6ff) and thereafter did not return to
Jerusalem except for the Council that was held there (Acts 15).
What was he doing during that time? Tradition says that he went
on the road to different Roman cities and made a trip to Rome.
The Bible says nothing to contradict this. In the Early 60's, the
Jews ultimately martyred St. James of Jerusalem whom even
Josephus recognized was a holy and just man. Eventually, St.
Peter took the hint and left the center of the Jewish world to
perdition shaking the dust from his feet. He then centered his
attention on the center of the Gentile World, Rome. It all makes
perfect sense.
Peter was not so
high in stature among the Apostles that Paul would have hesitated
to take him "in hand" [Gal 2] when Peter got off track.
Yet even at Antioch, Peter was nowhere near Rome.
St. Paul did not
confine his activities to Jerusalem. He traveled throughout the
Empire. Why couldn't St. Peter do the same? Tradition says he
did. Now onto the slander about St. Peter and the conflict in Gal
2. St. Paul was out of line. St. Peter was doing nothing wrong.
While St. Paul was right IN PRINCIPLE, the early Church was much
more pastorally oriented and sensitive to the scruples of weaker
brethren. St. Paul eventually capitulates on this matter in Rom
14:1-23 and 1Cor 10:23-31 which Protestants seem to miss. St. Peter did
the right thing at Antioch for PASTORAL reasons. St. Paul was
being excessively tiresome and legalistic. In the midst of St.
Paul's pastoral insensitivity, he outlined the proper way to
theologically understand why St. Peter should not have had to do
what he did. St. Peter was the better man in this instance as St.
Paul's later admissions indicate. Besides, even if St. Peter were
wrong (which he wasn't) St. Paul had the obligation to speak up.
This would not violate St. Peter's dignity but prove that he was
important enough that fraternal correction was necessary. Several
time the Popes have needed to be scolded for their own good or
that of the Church. Please do not project your own megalomaniacal
delusions onto the real office of the Papacy.
Peter is not
mentioned in the Epistle to the Romans, which would have been
very odd, if Peter had been in Rome. Paul greets various
believers in Rome in the 16th Chapter of Romans, but Peter is not
among them.
St. Peter was a
wanted man. Herod and the Roman authorities would have loved to
get their hands on him. Do you really think that St. Paul would
be stupid enough to address a letter to St.Peter telling them
EXACTLY where to look for him? Besides, you are too naive about
all of those greetings at the end of the epistles. This was a
movement under persecution. Those "greetings" may have
been coded messages dealing with completely unrelated matters.
(The OSS used to broadcast such coded messages on open radio
broadcasts to their operatives on the continent during WWII.) St.
Peter MAY have been addressed in code in Rom 16 if he was there
at the time. Even if he was not there at the time so what? We
know he ended up there eventually. He may have been there
previously.
This gave the
Christians in Puteoli time to send messengers to the Roman church
to tell them that Paul was on the way. ". . .when the
brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii Forum
and The Three Taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God and
took courage" (Acts 28:15) Here Peter is not mentioned,
because Peter was not in Rome and could not come to meet Paul.
When Paul and his escort neared Rome:
St. Paul is in
Roman custody awaiting trial and possible execution, so now St.
Peter exposes himself to greet him? Grow up.
Not once, in any
of the Epistles that he wrote from Rome, does Paul mentioned
having seen Peter or being visited by Peter. The most probable
reason was that Peter was not in Rome at that time.
The most probable
reason was that St. Peter was not that stupid.
Since Peter is not
mentioned as being in Rome, Peter could not have been a founder
of the Church in Rome, either.
St. Paul clearly
says that the Roman Church was founded by another MAN (singular):
For I will not
venture to speak of anything except what Christ has wrought
through me to win obedience from the Gentiles, by word and
deed, by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the
Holy Spirit, so that from Jerusalem and as far round as
Illyr'icum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ, thus
making it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ
has already been named, lest I build on another man's
foundation, but as it is written, "They shall see who
have never been told of him, and they shall understand who
have never heard of him." This is the reason why I have
so often been hindered from coming to you. (Romans 15:18-22)
Who was that?
Possibly St. Peter. St. Peter had both motive and opportunity and
tradition indicates that he did found the Church organization at
Rome. This doesn't mean that he was the first Christian
missionary to preach there or even the first Bishop to minister
there (though he could have been). It means that the Church at
Rome was at one point organized under his leadership. St.
Irenaeus tells us that there was a clear line of succession of
Bishops at Rome starting from St. Peter. I believe St. Irenaeus.
I do not believe you or your apostate forbears. You weren't
there. He was. He had no reason to lie or misrepresent the truth.
You do.
[Gal 2:7-8 says
that] "the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto
me" means that the other Apostles recognized that Jesus
Christ had given Paul a primacy of ministry and evangelism to the
Gentiles.
Read the text. It
says that everyone recognized that St. Paul had a TALENT in
preaching to the Gentiles and that St. Peter had a TALENT in
preaching to the Jews. There is no mention of primacy at all.
So this was an
area in which Jesus Christ had given Paul foremost
responsibility, not Peter.
That would have
come as news to Cornelius from Acts 10. I think you are really
out of line here. I defy you to give me a single biblical text in
which it says that St. Paul was given primacy by Christ or the
Apostles to preach to the Gentiles. It doesn't exist because he
was never given any such authority. You have to stop reading into
the text and start reading out of it. Jesus gave a commission to
the Eleven Apostles in Matt 28:19 to make disciples of ALL
nations, not just the Jews. No one was ever given special primacy
over certain ethnic groups. It is obvious that the Apostles
divided up their labors and tried not to compete with one another
(though this didn't always work out in practice). This was a
practical assignment, not the granting of primacy.
Since Rome was not
a Jewish city, although some Jews lived there, Rome would have
been part of Paul's particular responsibility of ministry, which
is one reason why it was Paul who wrote an epistle to the Roman
Church and not Peter.
Rubbish. St. Paul
did not found the Church at Rome. He said so in Rom 15. The main
Christian presence in Rome was among the Jews anyway as far as we
can tell. There were 12 known sysnagogues in Rome at the time of
Chirst. Under Claudius we are told that there were riots in the
Jewish section of town over "Chrestus." Both Tacitus
and Suetonius acknowledge this. Sorry, your thesis goes up in
smoke.
2Cor:11:5: For I
suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. In
other words, that no one, not even Peter, had more authority than
Paul in this area.
The term there is
not "chiefest apostle" [singular] but
"Superapostles" [plural]. If you actually read 2Cor,
you see that there were some SPECIFIC people claiming to be
apostles with better credentials than St. Paul. St. Paul was
refuting them because they were Judaizers whose views
contradicted his. This has nothing to do with St. Peter who was a
champion of the rights of Gentile Christians (See Acts 10 &
15).
The Popes are the
successors of Linus, but the claims to be Peter's successors
could better be borne by other bishops.
Rubbish. Read St.
Irenaeus. You are arguing from silence. The fact that St. Clement
did not call himself a successor of St. Peter proves NOTHING. He
clearly says that Apostolic succession was established in the
Church by the Apostles who assigned their own successors.
Everybody in his day knew who his founding bishop had been. It
would have been redundant (and immodest) for him to brag about
it. Tradition is clear on this and there is no alternative. You
want to justify disobedience to the successor of St. Peter and so
you are deliberately creating fables to obfuscate the clear
historical facts. I am disappointed (though not surprised).
IF Peter had a
primacy among the Apostles (why I do not want to deny here) that
primacy would have passed on to another apostle as long as any of
the Apostles survived.
Where does the
Bible say that? Who are you to tell St. Peter whom he should name
as his successor? He picked St. Linus. Live with it.
That last survivor
was John, and church history gives indications that the See of
Ephesus enjoyed a certain primacy and a certain leadership in
missions.
Yet it was St.
Clement Bishop of Rome who settled the dispute in Corinth over
Apostolic Succession. He did not appeal to St. John whom we know
was still alive at that time.
The gospel, for
example, went to Britain originally from Ephesus rather than
Rome, and Roman influence did not become prominent in England
until the Synod of Whitby.(620 A.D.?)
A lot of Anglican
lying has been used to justify their defiance of the authority of
the Successor of St. Peter. I am afraid that you have been
misinformed. There were several outreaches to the British Isles.
Some from Rome and some from elsewhere. In itself that proves
nothing. Ephesus was NEVER the center of the Christian Church and
never claimed to be. Rome always has been and has always claimed
to be.
That Apostolic
leadership would have passed from Peter to Linus rather than from
Peter to John is simply unthinkable.
Not Apostolic
leadership, PETRINE PRIMACY! St. John did not possess the
Primacy. Only St. Peter did. St. Peter transferred it to his
choice for a successor. Everyone believed it until apostates
wanted to deny it. So these enemies of the Church invented vain
mythologies and rationalizations to justify their sinful
disobedience. I remain unimpressed. For a thorough refutation of
all prot nonsense on the papacy, the book "Jesus, Peter, and
the Keys" published by Queenship Press.