[The Sabbatarian begins:]
In keeping Sunday, you are following man's ideas, not me. Just open your Bible and read for yourself. God wrote the "seventh day" with His finger, not the first day of the week. The last book, Revelation, talks of the those who keep God's law (14:12).
f you actually read Revelation, St. John starts off being
"in the spirit on the Lord's Day
", that is Sunday. What follows then is a depiction of Sunday Mass as it is reflected in Heaven.
I would also remind you that the transfer of Christian worship to Sunday is very clear in the NT. You know, maybe you should take Matthew 16:16-20 more seriously. Maybe St. Peter and the boys got the idea not from mortal men but from Jesus' Father in heaven.
I suggest that you read Cardinal Danielou's book The Bible and the Liturgy for a detailed explanation of why Sunday replaced Saturday as the day of worship.
I would also remind you of what St. Paul said:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath [days] (2 Colossians 16)
It seems that we Gentiles are not expected to keep any of the Jewish cultic laws. Once again, I stand on Scripture.
Jesus said His Word will be our judge (John 12:48), not the Pope or your church.
NO he didn't. Binding and loosing is given to St. Peter and the Apostles and that is judgment. Note well:
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 18:15-18)
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? (1 Corinthians 6:2)
Once again, your lack of Scriptural knowledge shows.
I would encourage you to check out
this site – It is from my friend Richard Bennett. He was a priest in your church for many years, but left it. He has compiled a book called
Far from Rome, Near to God - about 50 priests who give their testimonies of finding the true grace of God.
That piece of trash? Puh-lease! When someone has a personal moral failing, they will make up any excuse to abandon God's standards and set up their own instead. I don't have time for nonsense. I suggest that you reread all of the biblical quotations I sent you and REPENT before it is too late.
Art wrote:
If you actually read Revelation, St. John starts off being "in the spirit on the Lord's Day", that is Sunday.
Art, this reveals the difference between Protestants and Catholics. You believe Sunday is the Lord's day, because the Catholic Church says so. I believe the Bible. The Word of God says,
…the seventh DAY is the Sabbath of the LORD. (Exodus 20:10)
The Sabbath is called
…the day of the LORD … my holy day. (Isaiah 58:13)
Jesus said,
The son of man is LORD of the Sabbath DAY. (Matthew 12:8)
It is completely clear that the 1st day of the week in the Early Church was called "The Lord's Day". It was called that in honor of the name of Jesus, the Lord. You should also note that the events in Revelation parallel the parts of the Mass and include an explicit reference to the resurrection of Jesus. The Resurrection of Jesus was NEVER celebrated on the Jewish Sabbath because on that day Jesus was DEAD in the Tomb. HE rose on Sunday and so that was the day designated to commemorate it.
In his NT commentary section on Revelation, Protestant scholar Matthew Henry says about this verse:
The day and time in which he had this vision: it was the Lord's day, the day which Christ had separated and set apart for himself, as the Eucharist is called the Lord's supper. Surely this can be no other than the Christian Sabbath, the first day of the week, to be observed in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ. Let us who call him our Lord honour him on his own day, the day which the Lord hath made and in which we ought to rejoice.
It is also clear from the Church Fathers that the Apostolic custom was to worship Christ on Sunday, not Saturday. This is already clear in St. Ignatius of Antioch's epistles (@107AD) and in St. Justin Martyr (@125AD).
The NT bears witness to this:
And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. (Acts 20:7)
Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. (1 Corinthians 16:2)
In the Early Church, the Apostles came to together on the day that Jesus was resurrected to worship him and celebrate the Mass. The also took up a collection. Things haven't changed much.
Here are 3 Bible verses which say the Sabbath is the "LORD'S DAY".
Actually, NONE of them do. None of those quotations say that the term "Lord's Day" is equated solely with the Sabbath. In fact, the phrase "the day of the Lord" is also used in both testaments to refer to the day that the Lord comes calling to manifest his power:
For the day of the LORD of hosts [shall be] upon every [one that is] proud and lofty, and upon every [one that is] lifted up; and he shall be brought low. (Isaiah 2:12)
Howl ye; for the day of the LORD [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. (Isaiah 13:6)
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. (Isaiah 13:9)
For this [is] the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates. (Jeremiah 46:10)
Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. (Ezekiel 13:5)
For the day [is] near, even the day of the LORD [is] near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen. (Ezekiel 30:3)
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come. (Acts 2:20)
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1 Corinthians 5:5)
As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also [are] ours in the day of the Lord Jesus. (2 Corinthians 1:14)
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. (1 Thessalonians 5:2)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)
No one is doubting that in the OT the Sabbath was often called the Lord's day or some such equivalent. In the NT, since Jesus is now Lord, Sunday has taken that place of honor. I refer you to Cardinal Danielou's book for a more in depth treatment of the subject.
Art Sippo
